Design Your Life, Your Way Podcast with Gloria Grace Rand
Guest: Tracy Hoth — Certified Life & Organizing Coach
Downsizing in Midlife: Why Decluttering Comes With the Territory
Gloria: Namaste. When you hit midlife, downsizing seems to come with the territory. Either you do it yourself, as I did when I separated from my husband and moved into an apartment where I am right now, or when my sister passed and I had to sell her house and decide which of her belongings I wanted to keep and which ones I could let go of. So if you need to downsize and don’t know where to start, or you’re thinking it might be something you’re going to have to do in the future, you’re in the right place today because I am so excited to introduce today’s guest. Her name is Tracy Hoth, and she is a certified life and organizing coach who helps women simplify their homes, their lives, and their businesses through practical systems and mindset shifts so they can focus on what matters most, which is, you know, designing your life your way, which is our podcast here.
Gloria: And as the host of the top 1% globally ranked Organized Coach Podcast, she empowers women to declutter with confidence, create systems that last, and step into the role of organized life CEOs. So without further ado, I’m going to bring her up here and officially welcome you, Tracy, to the podcast.
Tracy: Thank you so much, Gloria. I’m so glad to be here and talk about this topic.
The Real First Step: Identity Shifts Before Spaces Change
Why “I’m Just a Messy Person” Is the Biggest Block to Getting Organized
Gloria: I am so glad you’re here too, because I know that you’re going to have some great advice to share with our audience. And I thought one of the things I wanted to ask you about first might be — in your work, what have you found to be like the one thing that most women need to release first before real change becomes possible?
Tracy: Oh, this is such an easy question for me to answer. We cannot outperform our identity. So if a woman thinks that she’s messy, that she’s like a hot mess, or she’s a collector, or she has lots of things, or she’s a piler, that identity is going to stay with her and she’s not going to be able to change. So I think looking at what you believe about yourself and then making a decision on what you want to be, who you want to be, is super important before you move forward. And not that you have to spend hours figuring this out and going so deep, but just recognize — if you were to ask yourself, why are you not organized right now? What comes up? What are the answers that automatically come up in your head? And then just say, huh, I noticed that. That’s what it is.
Gloria: I love that. Yeah, that is so — it reminds me of something I was actually writing about today, as a matter of fact. That same kind of thing. Just being a little more introspective and not judging yourself, because it’s not about that.
Tracy: Right. It’s really about just saying, okay, let’s be a little curious and just notice it. And that’s the first step of any kind of change.
From Collector to Enjoyer of Empty Space: Rewriting Your Organizing Identity
Tracy: I have different clients who think they’re perfectionists and they label themselves as that. Or one who just was on my podcast said that she was a collector and now she’s an enjoyer of empty space. So it’s just fun seeing the difference of what you want to believe about yourself and finding so much evidence that it’s true and that you can really believe it now.
Gloria: Okay, I like that. But I’m going to ask — can you be a strategic collector, though? You know, maybe collect a few things and then still be that valuing-the-empty-space type?
Tracy: Oh, completely. But it was interesting because she had collections of so many things, and she decided, I don’t want that anymore. And she’s deciding which collection she’ll keep, but she’s able to then let go of things because she loves the empty space. So absolutely — you’re choosing what you love and what you want to surround yourself with, and you’re enjoying the other spaces.
Deciding What to Keep and What to Let Go: A Practical Midlife Approach
Sorting Through a Loved One’s Belongings After Loss
Gloria: And that brings me to my next question. For me, it was so interesting — like I said at the intro, when my sister passed, I had to sell her house. And so she had lots of stuff. Lots of stuff in her garage that she had intended to go through when she knew she had cancer. And we just never got around to going through that. She had a library like I do, lots of books, and one of them was that old Marie Kondo book — The Magic of Tidying Up. So how do you help someone decide what to keep and what to let go of?
Tracy: Around the identity, I like to first look at where they’re going. So they have an idea of what they’re spending time on, what they want to be spending time on, what their life looks like. So that begins it — if you start looking at that first, then you really can filter through decisions easier. But then I like to think of it like a project, and you have a start and an end date, and you have a specific focus. So in my program, we go through one focus a month, one room per month or space per month. And that helps you break the project down. Then you follow the organizing steps with anything that you’re going to organize, and you sort first.
The S.P.A.C.E. Method for Decluttering Any Space
Tracy: One thing with Marie Kondo that she does, which I disagree with, is she says you pull everything out of the space. And I’m like, yeah, but I watched one of the shows, and she pulled everything out and piled it on the bed — like every piece of clothing in their entire house. And I was like, okay, that would overwhelm me completely to have all that on my bed. So if you sort, you might just pull out one category — maybe just pants — and then you go through the rest of the process: sort, purge, assign homes, contain, and energize. So you go through those steps with each category, and by the end of that start and end date that you set, you have an organized and decluttered space.
Gloria: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, because it can be overwhelming to try to do the whole thing. And I think I was inspired — when I got home after driving back from Arizona where my sister lived to Florida, I did go through my clothes. I think I took like just one drawer and put it on my bed and went through stuff. And it did feel good to really make space. It’s amazing how much of a difference it does make to have that instead of having things all crammed in.
Clutter and Cortisol: How Your Home Affects Your Body and Mind
The Research That Proves Clutter Raises Your Stress Levels
Tracy: One of my clients just said recently, it’s like a pile of bricks off of her chest. And I’m thinking — we are walking around in our homes and in our spaces feeling like we have bricks on us. I mean, that is not the way to live. And so then some others are just more spacious, more free. A lot of people feel free. They feel really proud that they made those decisions and they’re moving forward. I personally am going through my house this year, each space by space, like in my program, and I am wanting to feel elevated and spoiled. So when I go into a space and I’m making decisions, I’m like, does this item make me feel elevated? Do I feel spoiled when I walk in here? And it’s not meaning we’re so rich and uppity — it just means when I walk in my space and I’m living in the space, I want to feel that elevated feeling, like I’m taking care of myself.
Gloria: I like that. That’s a cool way to look at it, because it is nice — you know, I enjoy looking at magazines where you see these lovely design spaces, or even watching some of the home remodeling shows. And when they get everything all done and they walk in and everything’s in its place, and it just looks so nice and neat, it’s like, ah, yeah, I’d like to live there.
Tracy: They’ve done studies that show women, when they just think about clutter — they don’t even have to see it or be in it — it raises their cortisol levels. And there was another study that showed how they manipulated spaces. Even if the woman said verbally that it didn’t bother her, they tested her saliva levels and could see a difference between seeing a cluttered space and a not-cluttered space. So it really does affect us more than most of us realize. We don’t want to be there, but even if we think we’re fine, it’s affecting our physical bodies.
Gloria: Yeah, well, I think sometimes it just accumulates slowly where you don’t realize it. And then all of a sudden you look at it — it’s like, oh, God. In fact, I look at my office right now and I see signs of it starting to get a little — those papers just kind of multiply somehow. You know, they just multiply by themselves.
Tracy: They’re not doing it right. — And that’s why I think the steps in my S.P.A.C.E. acronym — sort, purge, assign homes, and then contain — the reason we contain things, whether that’s a basket, a shelf divider, whatever it is we’re using, is so that when that limit is reached, that’s our trigger. We can see it. And it teaches us to go back to the organizing steps. And the final step is energize. We feel it when we have a space completed and it’s the way we want it — we feel that energy. And in order to maintain that, I always say, tie it to something you already do. So we do taxes every year — tie going through your paper to taxes. Maybe we do it once a month. Maybe the cleaners come. And so that’s our trigger: I’m going to go through those papers.
Tracy: I even think of simple things like — we buy groceries every week. And before you put the groceries away, do a quick clean-out of the fridge and then tidy up the pantry so it maintains the space you have. I always tell people — because people will say, my car is so messy right now — every time I go to the gas station, I empty the trash out. We’ve been doing that for years. Our kids do it — I made them do it if they were in the car. And I have a trash can in my garage, so as soon as I pull in, I look around and gather stuff, throw it in the trash, or take it and put it away.
Gloria: Yeah, it’s amazing. If you just take that extra minute or two to do something, it makes it so much easier. Because when you’ve put it off and put it off and put it off, that’s when it gets overwhelming. I’m flashing back to remembering as a kid — I would let my bedroom get to be like this disaster area. And my father would come in and go, you’ve got to clean up this room right now. You’re not going anywhere until you get it done. And it’s like, I would open my closet and just… yeah. I don’t let that happen now.
Overcoming the Mindset Gap: When to Ask for Organizing Support
Skill Gap vs. Mindset Gap: Understanding What’s Really Keeping You Stuck
Tracy: One of my clients called herself a binge organizer — where she does it and she can clean and she can make it happen, but then it just gets messy, but then she knows she can do it again. And I think there’s no right or wrong. Everybody has their own level of tolerance of clutter, and it’s totally fine — if it’s affecting your life and you want to change it, that’s when we look at getting organized. Because getting organized just means you know what you have and you can find it when you need it. So if you’re finding it’s affecting your life in a negative way, then make it a priority. Learn the steps. Practice the skill of getting organized. Or figure out what mindset block is keeping you from getting organized.
Gloria: Absolutely. And I would also just say — sometimes you really do need to get help, to have someone come in. So for instance, when I graduated from high school, my parents split up and they put the house up for sale. They’d lived there for 18 years, and they’d brought stuff from prior houses too, and my grandmother’s things were up in the attic. And I remember it was hard for my mom to get rid of stuff, and she finally had to hire someone who came in and used things like — have you used this in the last five years? Have you used this in the last year? And then if she hadn’t, it was time to let it go. And this is 1980, so it was early for professional organizers.
Tracy: I do for sure think that you need support because you’re at this spot and you want to get to that spot, and there’s something keeping you from getting there. And like I said, it’s either a skill gap or a mindset gap. And in order to change those two things — a skill, you want to learn a new skill from someone; a mindset, a lot of times we can’t see that in ourselves. So to be able to have someone witness your mind and walk with you on this journey is so incredibly helpful. And the cool thing is that what shows up there really does spill over into the other areas of your life.
How Organizing One Drawer Can Change How You Make Decisions Everywhere
Tracy: Right now one of my clients is having a really hard time making a decision on where something is going to live. And she thinks the answer is somewhere outside of her. Like, I’m going to have the answer. But what she’s realized is she’s such a perfectionist that she thinks there’s this perfect answer. So what she’s doing now is saying, this item might have a home here — I’m going to test it and see. And it’s so cool because it’s working. And she’s noticing at work how she does this, and in her dating how she does this. And it’s that one little thought that’s affecting everything. Now that she notices it, it spills over into all the rest of her life as well.
Gloria: Yeah, it makes sense because — how you do one thing is how you do everything, I think is the expression. So yeah, it makes sense that it would show up in other areas of our life.
Tracy’s Story: From Watching a Friend’s House Close to Building a Career
The Moment That Set Tracy on the Path to Professional Organizing
Gloria: Was there a moment in your life when you realized something had to change? And what did you do first?
Tracy: Yes. I think with organizing my home, I noticed it in other people. My youngest daughter had a best friend, and her mom wouldn’t let anybody in the house because of the clutter. So my daughter could never go to her house and play. And I think that set me on a path to never be in that place as much as possible, and to help her. So when I started organizing as a profession, I first started helping her. And later my daughter got to go to her house. It was such a blessing for her to be able to have people in her home and have friends over.
Tracy: So with the home it wasn’t as much of an issue for me — although I’m not a perfectionist type. It doesn’t look like things on Pinterest. I don’t have color-coded, decanted everything. But I’m very practically organized. I just want to know where it is and be able to find it. Where it really showed up for me is when I started my online business and all the files on my computer — I thought, holy cow, I need to take care of this. I started implementing the principles that I would use in people’s homes on my computer and set up some really simple solutions for organizing business files and finding the things I needed. So I think that’s where it really hit home for me.
Digital Declutter: Tackling Files, Photos, and Email Overload
Organizing Your Business Files and Digital Life with the Same Principles
Gloria: And I did see your way of organizing digital files because yeah, that’s definitely been the bane of my existence as well. And what’s also happened for me is that I’ve gone through different computers and I had things backed up in the cloud, but then I lost one area of it. So I still have a whole bunch of old files in the cloud from my old computer. So if I can’t find it on my current computer, I’ll look there. I have enough on the current computer that I don’t go there and add more clutter to it.
Tracy: Well, then that really shows that you’re organized too, because you know where to find it if you need it.
Gloria: I’m a digital hoarder. Let’s face it. There are files on there from when I first started my business that I know I don’t really need anymore. It’s probably even from social media platforms that don’t exist anymore. And I should probably just delete it so it’s not taking up space.
Tracy: That’s such a good point. Because we all — especially if we have our own businesses, we’re learners, and so anytime there’s something free to download, we just think, I’m gonna grab it now. And then we never go back and look at it. So that’s exactly what’s filling our houses up too. But now it’s on our digital space as well. So that takes me back to — we set a time when we’re going to work on this. Maybe it’s Q2 or Q3. We put that on the calendar as our project that month, we have a start and finish date, and we break it down so we can move through that and create the result we want.
Five Pieces of Paper a Day: A Small Commitment That Clears Everything
Tracy: Because in as little as 15 minutes, 5 minutes — I had a lady who was organizing paper in her home. She had a full-time job, she caretaked for her husband, and she had a teenage daughter, and her house was full of paper and she had stayed frozen in that state for so long. So when she reached out to me, we made a plan. She had the new thought: I have a plan. And she committed to sorting five pieces of paper a day. And of course sometimes she sorted more, but she went through every single piece of paper in her house.
Tracy: And so when we look at that for business or digital files, we could set the structure up and then commit to sorting five files a day. Once you get them all sorted into the structure, you just go back through each folder and you make decisions.
Inbox Zero: Unsubscribing and Reclaiming Your Email Space
Gloria: I remember one time something happened to my email and I lost every single email I’d had. And so I had to start from scratch. And it was heartbreaking at first, and then it was like, oh, I don’t have 10,000 emails anymore. It was so nice. So I have to start doing this again. I need to put it on the calendar — like once a week where I go through and unsubscribe. And then I search for all those senders and go, oh, these are all the emails I never read. Okay, delete, delete, delete. And it’s really clearing up my space, but I have to continue to do it.
Tracy: Yes. And we have to watch what we’re signing up for in advance. So all those summits or free things we’re signing up for — that just puts more work on us. And the exact same thing is true when you buy something: really think about where is this item going to live? In my home or in my space? Am I going to use it? Because once it gets in your space, you have a higher attachment to it, and then you have to make more decisions on it. So for all of us to really consider that before we buy something, or even download something that’s free, or bring free stuff into our house.
Gloria: Absolutely, yes. My mother used to say, nature abhors a vacuum, so you have to be careful. And the other place I know that a lot of people have — and I do too — is we are collecting pictures on our phones now. I have been pretty good now about setting up digital folders for family, friends, business, and putting them in there. And I’ve even started scanning in old regular photos because some of them from the 70s are not looking so well.
Tracy: Look how organized you are with your folders. That’s pretty amazing.
Gloria: I’m trying, but I still have boxes. Three boxes of pictures full — and I’m not talking little boxes. I have not only my pictures but my family’s pictures. My sister had pictures, my mother has pictures, my grandmother has pictures. And they’re the really hard ones because some of them from the 1920s — they’re written on the back, or there’s nothing written on the back, and I don’t know if they’re family or friends. It’s like they’re cool from the 1920s, but I don’t really know if it’s worthwhile saving them.
Decluttering as a Therapeutic Practice: Making Peace With Your Past
The Thousand-Piece Puzzle Metaphor for Midlife Letting Go
Tracy: This reminds me of a topic that came up with a client and I’ve since done a podcast episode about it — the thousand-piece puzzle. As we think about the amount of photos or the amount of digital files or stuff in our house, it can be a very therapeutic thing to go through. You could really enjoy it. The comparison to a thousand-piece puzzle — we dump that puzzle out and there are a thousand pieces. And we do it for fun. We have family members around. We turn the fire on or the music on or whatever, and we sort the puzzle into edge pieces, then by color. We grab a color we want to work on. It’s fun. It’s part of the practice. And organizing can be the same way. Instead of dreading it and thinking it’s so awful, we can really change our thoughts about it and try to look at it more like: this is a really therapeutic practice that I’m doing. I’m letting go of parts of my life and things I used to enjoy. I’m making space for the future. And it can be this really beautiful thing.
Gloria: Yeah, I think that is smart. Because attitude is everything. If you’re going to treat it like a chore, it’s going to be a chore. But if you can instead say, let’s have some fun and relive some old memories and see what we got, it can be fun. And I know I did that a few months ago where I was going through a whole bunch of papers — my mother saved lots of stuff. All of my old report cards. And then cute little pictures. And occasionally going through and saying, okay, which of these are sentimental and really cute and I want to keep? And I’ll maybe scan them so I don’t have to keep the physical part of it. But yeah, it can be a lot of fun if you treat it that way.
Preserving Memories While Creating Space: Creative Ideas for Kids’ Artwork and Keepsakes
Tracy: It’s so funny that today on Instagram or something, I saw this woman who takes her kids’ artwork and makes like giant canvas artwork — she puts their artwork all over it, glues it on, and then covers it with, I don’t know, mod podge or something. And it was so cool. I thought to myself — all my kids’ artwork, I don’t know if they’ll ever want it. They each have a bin with memorabilia in it. But that would be so cool. And then we’re kind of at the middle stage between no grandkids and about to have some grandkids. And it would be so fun to hang in the room where the grandkids would live to have these cool artwork pieces on the wall. So there are so many fun things that could come from going through your stuff.
Gloria: Absolutely. You never know what you might find. I had a letter I had written to Big Boy restaurants for something — I don’t remember now what it was. And then I found one from my son when he had his wisdom teeth out. It was something about don’t feel good — and it’s like, oh, you know, I can’t get rid of that. It’s just too precious. He’ll throw it out eventually, you know. But for now, I want to keep it and just have fun memories.
Setting Limits and Rules to Make Decluttering Decisions Easier
Tracy: Yes. And so I do think it helps to put boundaries or rules in place so that our decisions are easier as we look through something. So maybe setting up a bin or a box that is a limit for the amount of stuff we keep. That’s what I did when my kids were little. I had a box and they knew — if it fit into the folder for this school year, they could keep it. And once that was full, they had to go through it and decide what was going to fit and what wasn’t. So for us too — the space or the container that we’re provided in our current house, not one day’s future house — having that be the container, and then choosing our favorites to fit in there first. Those little rules help — like, does a person need 25 pairs of pants or 10? And setting that up ahead of time, from the perspective of the person you’re becoming.
Gloria: Yeah, exactly. Or even following the old rule — okay, if you get a toy, you have to get rid of a toy. So if you want to buy a new shiny something or other, maybe look and see if there’s anything in the house that’s served its usefulness and maybe someone else could get some joy from it instead. So you can make room for something new.
The 15-Minute Declutter Challenge: Making Progress Without Overwhelm
How to Organize Anything in 15 Minutes Using the S.P.A.C.E. Steps
Gloria: I know that you have like a 15-minute routine or something. Can you go over what that is? And isn’t it for helping — once you do get things organized — how to keep it that way?
Tracy: Well, you can use it for both. I have been helping people get organized for 17 years and I have never created a 15-minute thing before. I created it in 2025 and gave it to members of my Organized Life Academy and said, can you guys test this? We’re going to try it out. And they loved it. It was so impactful because they could get so much more done than they thought was possible. And they started using it and it really changed how they think about things. So now I made it available to everyone.
Tracy: You follow the organizing steps — the S.P.A.C.E. steps. So in that free download, it has the description of what to do to organize anything — your space, your brain, your project, your calendar, your digital life. You can organize any of it. And then there’s a printout so you can hang that wherever you’re organizing, and then you just do that 15 minutes. I remember I ran a mile every day in 2019 because someone said they were doing it. So if you wanted to do the 15-minute declutter challenge every day for a week or every day for a month and work on the space that you’re focusing on, you will make so much progress. You just follow the steps: sorting first, purging, assigning homes, containing things, and then having that energy and maintaining that space.
Gloria: I love that. Yeah, it is amazing — if you just spend a few minutes every day. I know that’s how I got unstuck on my book at one point. I had a coach tell me the same thing: just spend 15 minutes on it. And even if you don’t write, just thinking about it sometimes was enough.
Tracy: Yes. Sometimes I would start with 15 and then you get in a groove and you keep going. It’s like you’ve got the momentum going. But it’s having that discipline of a specific time. Set the timer. I do a training where I show the replay of me decluttering my neighbor’s junk drawer using the organizing steps, with the timer right there. And it took 13 minutes to go through her entire junk drawer and make decisions. So it really is possible to make progress.
Gloria: And it does feel so good when you’ve got that progress, even if you’re not even through it at all — even if you’re just starting to see that light at the end of the tunnel. It makes a difference because it gives you that momentum to keep going.
Tracy: Yes, that’s what we need. That structure. And it helps you to keep going so that you can accomplish this goal — so you can live in freedom from all this stuff that’s weighing you down.
Redesigning Your Living Spaces in Midlife: Rearranging for New Energy
How Moving Furniture Can Shift the Energy in Your Home
Gloria: What are you curious about right now?
Tracy: Well, here’s what I’m doing in my house right now. We were looking to move, and the thing that I want when I look at a house is to have a dining room space that is open and you can get to it all around. Because right now we’ve lived in our house for 20 years. The dining room is great. We’ve had lots of people at that dining room table, but the people in the back get stuck back there and they can’t get out because it’s so crowded. So I decided I didn’t want to move. And what I did is made my front room of the house where my dining room table is going to be. So we got a big dining room table and we’re just putting that into place. And I’m making the other area, that was our dining room, a little nook. I’ve sold all my furniture — a table and chairs we’d had for 30 years, I just sold those. And my beautiful office furniture I had down there, I sold it. And it’s just been exciting.
Gloria: Wow, that’s very cool. You know, that actually made me think of something else. I’ve found that I like to, every so often — maybe once a year or something — like to change things around in the living room, move furniture around. I find that I like to just change, change the energy around. Have you found that — personally or when you’re working with clients?
Tracy: I do. I actually do suggest that people move things around when they’re organizing because it puts something fresh and new. So when we used to go through the kids’ rooms before school started, we went through their clothing, cleaned out, took all the stuff out of the room, moved the furniture, vacuumed everywhere. Because it was so exciting and so fun — very motivating. But it took a lot of work. You know that part where you are in the messy middle and your energy is all gone — you’ve got to have someone who can stick it out till the end.
Tracy: But I tend to be more of a person where I get it where I want it and I could leave it for years. Like our living room — we have this huge sectional that all our family can fit on, and there’s really no other way to move it. But we did take the whole thing apart after Christmas and vacuumed all over behind it and under the cushions. And we had never done that for — I don’t want to say how many years. So that felt amazing. But now I’m moving all the furniture and changing it, and it’s so fun. It really does add that energy to your life and freshness.
Gloria: Yeah, I think so too. And of course, when I did it, I realized now I have things hanging on the wall that aren’t quite the way they were before. But it’s an apartment, I’m just gonna live with it. Right?
Tracy: Do the best we can.
Where to Start When You Feel Overwhelmed: One Step for Midlife Women Today
The First Move That Breaks Through Organizing Paralysis
Gloria: Is there anything else, any last nugget you would want to share with our audience? If a woman listening is still feeling maybe overwhelmed, what would be maybe just one thing they could tackle today that would help them move forward? And how would she expect to feel?
Tracy: So I remember when I stood in front of a garage, completely overwhelmed, because I was thinking, there’s no way I can do this. And the woman with me is 10 years older. The garage had so much stuff in it. And I had to do something because she was paying me. And so I thought to myself: Tracy, the first step to organizing is to sort — go pick something up and put like with like. And I then was focused. I felt focused. I walked forward and I grabbed that can of paint and I said, let’s make paint supplies and paint over here. And that lady did the same thing. And we sorted the entire garage. So I think if you’re feeling overwhelmed, it’s because of what you’re thinking about the thing. So neutralize the amount of stuff you have to work on and choose one area — that might be just your purse, that might be one bathroom drawer or one drawer in your kitchen — and just follow the organizing steps, the S.P.A.C.E. steps, and take it one step at a time.
Gloria: Yeah, that’s it. Because it does make it so much easier if you can just start. Anything in life that you want to do, any way that you want to design your life your way — just start. Start somewhere. Start small. And I like that. That’s so good.
Free Resources and Where to Find Tracy Hoth
Gloria: I know there are a ton of people listening to this going, okay, how do I get this freebie that you were talking about? Where can people find you? How can they best contact you?
Tracy: Yes! Go to my website, simplysquaredaway.com/declutter, and that will get you the 15-minute declutter challenge. And then on my podcast you’ll learn a lot — The Organized Coach Podcast.
Gloria: All right, excellent. Well, I will definitely have that in the show notes, so don’t worry about it. Go to the show notes and you’ll have that. But again, it’s simplysquaredaway.com/declutter. Perfect. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you being with us today and yeah, I knew it was going to be a wonderful conversation. I really appreciate you being here.
Tracy: Thank you so much, Gloria, for having me.
Gloria: And I do want to thank all of you for listening today or watching on YouTube. And I will be back next week with some more ideas on how you can embrace this incredible season of life. And be sure to check out the description of this video for a full rundown of the important links — like I mentioned, we’re going to have that link for Tracy there, so you’ll be able to see it. And if you enjoyed this video today, please share it with a friend on social media and let me know your thoughts in the comments below. I love hearing from you. And of course, it also helps me figure out how best I can serve and support you going forward. So remember, you are never too old to start a new chapter.
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