Rethinking Mental Health with Johnny Crowder

In this episode, we’re joined by TEDx speaker Johnny Crowder. Johnny is also an abuse and suicide survivor and the Founder of Cope Notes, a text-based mental health platform. Through his lived experience, peer support, and psychology degree, he’s been able to impact millions. He now provides daily support and healing for users in nearly 100 countries worldwide.

Podcast: Play in new window | Download

Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Pandora | iHeartRadio | Podchaser | Email | RSS

On this episode of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast:

• Johnny’s personal experience in coping with mental health issues.
• Why he says his whole life has been about mental health.
• Why the message of hope is so important.
• The biggest struggles Johnny has had to overcome.
• Why Johnny avoided trauma therapy initially.
• How men tend to see and respond to mental health issues.
• The unique struggle women face when dealing with heavy emotions.
• What motivated Johnny to found Cope Notes.
• The unique way Cope Notes provides support for its users.
• Why Johnny calls entrepreneurship a crash course in adaptability.
• One of Johnny’s favorite parts of being alive.
• The difference hiring the right people can make in a startup.
• Practices that keep Johnny feeling mentally well.
• The importance of seeking help sooner rather than later.

Connect with Johnny

Johnny’s website: https://johnnycrowder.com/
Cope Notes website: https://copenotes.com/

Quick Links:

• Join the Live. Love. Engage. Community
• Intuitive Business Coaching
• The Live. Love. Engage. Book
• Support the Podcast with BuyMeACoffee.com

Enjoying what you’re hearing on Live. Love. Engage.? Subscribe on Goodpods or your favorite podcast platform, and click here to leave a 5 STAR Review. You can also watch the conversation on YouTube.

TRANSCRIPT

You’re listening to the live love engage podcast. On today’s show we’re gonna be talking about some misconceptions when it comes to mental health and the challenges of running a startup. stay tuned. I am Gloria Grace Rand, founder of the love method and author of the number one, Amazon Best seller Live. Love. Engage. – how to stop doubting yourself and start being yourself. In this podcast, we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully. Love deeply and engage authentically so you can create a life and business with more impact, influence, and income. Welcome to live love, engage.

Namaste and welcome to another addition of live. Love, engage, and I am looking forward to our conversation today with Johnny Crowder, who was joining me from Just a couple hundred miles away. I think on the other side of the state where I live. So I wanna welcome you Johnny to live love engage first off. Yeah, thanks for having me. Well, I will, I’m gonna share with our audience today on YouTube and those of you listening on your favorite podcast platform. a little bit about this young man.

He is a 29-year-old suicide and abuse survivor, but also a TEDx speaker and the founder of cope notes, which is a text-based. Text based if I could speak today, mental health platform and armed with 10 years of treatment, psychology degree and a decade of pure support through NAMI, which I had to learn, look up because I had heard of it, but I wasn’t sure what it stood for and stands for the National Alliance on mental illness.

Johnny’s youthful vigor for mental health has impacted millions across the globe and I’ve been Following you for a little bit and, and your entrepreneurial journey. And, and I actually did test out the Cope notes for cuz I know you offer like a free, a free test drive as it were. Yeah. And I was, I was very impressed with it, so I thought, we we’d start off.

Well, actually one thing I wanted to share actually with our audience before I dive in. One thing again, when I was doing some research and, and actually trying to figure out what NAMI stood for. I found an interesting statistic in that one in five Americans live with a mental health condition, which was quite surprising now, of course, a serious thing.

It’s more like. One in 20 Americans, but that’s still a lot. And I know there’s been a lot of talk of late, certainly with the pandemic and everything that mental health is really starting to be much more talked about. And I think it’s getting to be not quite as taboo as it may have been 10, 20, 30 years ago, even.

So, I appreciate that you are doing something. This, you know, about helping people. So I thought we’d start off our discussion with just sharing a little bit about why you know, your story and, and also then what led you to, to found your company? Yeah, one thing I’ll start with is, one statistic that a lot of people aren’t talking about is the lifetime mental health statistic.

And actually one in two people will face mental illness in their lifetime. so the one in five just means right now, okay. Someone is dealing with that, but throughout their lifetime, literally every other person on the planet is gonna face something like this. So it’s much more widespread than people understand now.

And I was one of those one in two. I was the one in two, and, and still am. So I grew up with a number of different diagnoses and I had no idea what I was going through. I didn’t start treatment until maybe 10 years after my symptoms started, which is actually the average in America. It takes roughly 10 years between onset of symptoms and care.

So I’m kind of a walking statistic, I guess. But I, when I was in treatment, I got really curious about what was going on in my brain and I wanted to learn more. So I started taking psychology classes and then went to school for psychology and started working in peer support in public advocacy. So

Pretty much, my whole life has been about mental health, just, for the first quarter century. I wasn’t deciding that it would be about mental health. It just kind of happened to me. And now I’m making a conscious choice, like, okay, my time and energy is gonna be dedicated to, improving my own mental health and that of other people.

Yeah. I, I appreciate you, you sharing that and it makes sense now that I think about it and I certainly have been touched by that in my own life, in my own family. my mom suffered with depression. I think my, my brother did, my dad was an alcoholic. So all sorts of lovely things going on and in my family.

And I, you know, for the most part have been fairly good and have also had my own sets of challenges. So it’s, it is a really. It’s so important for people to know that. Well, actually, let me ask you, I have an idea, but what would you think is, is what, what would you say is the most important thing that people ought to know about

either mental health in part let’s just say mental health? What, what, what do you think is the most important thing people should know about? That’s kind of tough. I would say. Probably it it’s either the one in two statistic. So like, it is extremely common. But the other thing that comes to mind is the fact that like, you can do something about it. For, for years and years

I figured like, well, this is just my brain and I’m stuck with it. And, If you start reading about neuroscience and, your brain’s plasticity, its ability to form new neural pathways and learn new things. You start to recognize that like, well, yes, my brain may be wrestling with depression right now, but it doesn’t always have to be that way.

There are things I can do to equip my brain. So just, I guess the first is that it’s really common. The second is that you’re not stuck. Love that that’s exactly what I was thinking. So, but, but I wanted to give you a chance to say that. Yeah. yeah, that, you know, there’s hope it’s, you don’t have to think that you’re, you’re stuck there and in this sort of, well, sad, but maybe frustrating also to know that, you know, that the average is like, it takes 10 years from, from like the time

Symptoms show up until, you know, you, you get help and, and I guess that’s cuz sometimes you are struggling with, you know, well maybe this is just the way I am and, you know, or, or what have you. So what do you think has been, your biggest challenge that you’ve had, you know, in, in this journey of that you, you know, journey called life, let’s just say that.

What do you think has been the biggest one you’ve had to overcome? I mean, definitely illness. Mm-hmm, like, that’s huge, like my mental illness and also going through trauma therapy and stuff. Like a lot of that was really difficult, but I think maybe I’m not sure if this is gonna answer your question, but the angle that I’m gonna answer it from is like what kept me from making progress when facing those things.

And I would say probably me judging myself. For what I was going through, like a big reason why I didn’t do trauma therapy for so long was because I was like, you know, I was abused and that makes me feel weak. And then I wanna talk with someone about my weakness and, you know, I really should have done something and maybe it was my fault.

And there was a lot of self-judgment that only served to postpone the inevitable, which was if I’m gonna get healthy, I actually need to participate in treatment. So aside from all the out external hurdles that I face, like all these terrible things happening to me, I think, I was letting a terrible thing happening happen to myself by standing in my own way and saying like, you know, if you were really tough, you wouldn’t need therapy and you need to man up, you know, all of that kind of talk.

Right. I think that’s, that’s what I was using to hold myself back. Yeah. Do, do you think that is, something that especially men in particular go through is that, you know, We’ve gotta be tough. And, and that’s, and that’s a lot of times it’s how, how you’re raised is, you know, boys don’t cry, you know, but it’s okay for girls to do.

And, and do you think that’s also part of what you’ve gone through and, and, or do you, have you seen that in other people as well? Yeah, that’s I know a lot of men who, like, I have a lot of friends who are guys who like, will not talk to me about what they’re going through and. Every time. I, you know, I’m on a call like with a, with a client of Cope notes or something, or I’m on a partnership call and it’s usually all women and me, I’m like the only dude on this whole call and it kind of illustrates to me like, wow, put next to each other.

It sure Looks like Women have maybe on the whole, and I don’t wanna generalize, but maybe on the whole have done a better job of being able to identify their emotions. And I know that a lot of men feel pressure to, hide Emotions for the sake of appearing strong. And I’m not saying that women don’t deal with that.

In fact, women deal with a very unique version of that, which is if you cry, you’re emo, you’re too emotional and you’re, oh, you you’re not being logical. So there’s a different, there’s a different color of the exact same stigma that women go through as well. I think, I think men just have, it seems to me that on the whole men have a more difficult time.

opening up about it for fear of it compromising, their feeling of being strong or, their perception, the way they’re perceived in the eyes of others. So what would you say to someone who, you know, maybe, especially cuz I believe most of my audience are, are women out there. And let’s say that they have a family member or a good friend who is a guy who seems to be going through some stuff and is struggling.

What would you, what would your advice be to, to that woman to, to be able to help that person? for me, something that really helps me think about it is this metaphor feel free to steal it. this metaphor that It actually takes way more strength to fight the current than it does to go with it. So like, let’s say depression is like flowing your canoe down this stream towards the waterfall.

It takes no strength to sit there and let the water take you wherever it wants. It takes all the strength in the world to start pedaling against that current. That’s what takes real strength and I needed to think of it in those terms like, wow, me going to therapy is actually a huge display of strength and me allowing my depression to just carry me wherever it feels like carrying me.

That’s actually the weakness that I was trying to avoid. I like that. That’s that is a really good way of. Of framing it. So I appreciate that for you sharing that. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about your company and, and what is its purpose and, and, and, you know, why did you actually decide to start it?

Well, I should Probably start by saying I never set out to start a company that was like, not my dream. It just kind of happened. but I always wanted to work in behavioral health. Like it was really important to me to contribute in that area. but really what was going on was I was in treatment and let’s say, you know, some therapy sessions were not great, but let’s just say one day I do have a great session.

And then let’s say, you’re my therapist right now. We have a great hour together and I make lots of progress. Then I close my computer or I leave your office. And I spend six, six days and 23 hours out in the world that was contributing to my pain and hardship in the first place. Right. And during those

Six days and 23 hours, you might say, oh, you should journal. Or you should go on a walk or you should listen to this meditation, but I, you gotta picture me when I was younger. Covered in tattoos, listening to death metal, body building lifting, super heavy weights. And I’m like, I’m not gonna sit around and write in my diary.

Are you kidding me? Like, no, I am too much of a man for this. I will power through until the next therapy session. And as a result, I would backslide because I didn’t have that tiny nudge at that encouragement, something to keep me on track during the week. And I looked for it. I tried. All the different mental health apps and all the different books and vitamins, and I was looking for anything.

And, Cope notes was really, I in it was me inventing something that I was looking for, which is just a small intervention at a random time. Every day, just a couple sentences written by a peer with lived experience. So not some doctor wagging their finger saying like, this is what you should be doing.

It’s a real peer. Someone just like me. Who’s saying here’s what I wish someone would’ve said to me. When I was going through it. So it could be a psychology fact or a journaling prompt, an exercise, some type of like health education, positive psychology information. That’s easy to stomach. And the best part is that I don’t have to remember to use it.

So I’m going throughout my day. I get a random text. I check my phone and it’s something that helps me stay on the right track. So I never have to make a conscious decision. Oh, I need to log into some app or I need to set aside five minutes to do this activity. It’s just, it happens to me. And over time, those interruptions actually train the brain to think in healthier patterns.

So that’s the coolest part. Is it like is teaching your brain to form new neural pathways associated with coping skills. I love that, and it really is important to have it. It it’s like your own little mini accountability coach, you know, on your phone to be able to just say, oh, hello. you know, in case you’re needing a little update or, you know, or needing a little prompt today about, you know, oh, Yeah, that’s awesome.

And they’re, and they’re sometimes when I explain that to people, they’re like, oh, that sounds cool. And I just think, you know, have you ever in your life gotten a text from a friend at just the right moment or turn on the radio and you hear a song that’s just what you needed to hear you drive past a billboard or something like that.

Oh yeah. There are all these little things. That make a huge impact. So don’t underestimate the power of a text message. Like a life can be changed or saved with just a few sentences and we see it all the time. That’s wonderful. So how has this journey into entrepreneurship been for you? Because, you know, as you say, you didn’t, you didn’t really plan it.

And I know yeah. You know, it’s, it’s not for the faint of heart let’s say, so how’s it been for you? No, it’s funny. Like, I, I have been through some really terrible stuff in my life. Like very severe illness. I often downplay how severe my mental illness was. but it was debilitating. I. I couldn’t function.

I wasn’t like a, a contributing member of society for years. I couldn’t touch people. I didn’t touch my food. I couldn’t touch doorknobs. Couldn’t step on cracks or walk downstairs. Like, I mean, I was, I was incapacitated by illness for decades, and I’m not saying this to be flippant. I mean it. Building a business

Is very comparable in terms of its difficulty to overcoming that illness. I, and I would, I would term a startup to be different from a business. Like if you’re opening a cupcake shop or something, there’s an established Business plan that has been proven to work in the past. You can kind of follow the steps.

Startups are all unproven, it’s brand new technology that you’re inventing. So at any point, some new problem could happen that that no one in the world has ever encountered before. So I, I will say that I, this has been a crash course in adaptability and anti fragility. So it, it has really taught me a lot and continues to it’s been unimaginably difficult.

I, I would have trouble believing that building a startup is this hard. If I hadn’t actually experienced it firsthand. And I trusting that it’s been worthwhile at the same time. oh, oh, there’s nothing like it. No. Anyone who has ever built something, written, something, painted something, you know, written a piece of music or an article or a book, or, or built a house or designed a room or something that feeling of creating something from nothing is one of my favorite parts of being alive.

and I would definitely have quit. Long before now, if we hadn’t seen like the real fruit of it, like people’s lives, tangibly changed from what we do. In fact, I have a corkboard here that I bought that I haven’t put this up yet, but I’m going to print out testimonials that people have sent to us and put on the cork board so I can see it in my room every day.

Oh yeah. That’s. And that will come in handy on those days where You’re not feeling it , you know, when things are going wrong or, or what have you, cuz I know when I work with my clients, I always recommend that you keep those printout or have it in a journal or something and have those testimonials so that you can remember, because inevitably doubts will come up and, and things will happen.

So if you can remember, oh yeah, this is working. This is I people are getting benefit out of it. So yeah. I’m glad that you’re gonna do that. That’s awesome. What, What has been, either, well, let’s, let’s, let’s put it this way. What’s been maybe the, either the hardest lesson you’ve had to learn specifically in like getting the startup going. What do you think has been?

I think running a startup has been a lesson in identifying your Sphere of influence and being very real about what you have control over and what you don’t. you could hire the perfect person for the role and that person’s spouse could become pregnant and it changes everything or that person has to move, or that person, you know, gets a call from a family member saying that like, there’s so little control you have over, over.

The grand scheme that you really have to focus on like am I making the right decisions? And beyond that, it’s very difficult not to become married to outcomes. Like when you start a business, I think in your mind, you become married to the outcome that you will be successful and that’s great, but you also have to.

When these things happen, you have to remember that you don’t have control. And it’s very difficult not to take these things personally, but, I’m actively working. Literally right now, I am working. One of my focus areas is not taking these big shifts in business personally, if a contract expires or a certification doesn’t go through or something, it’s like, dude, Do your best not to make it about you and defeat yourself over something that you could do nothing about and had nothing to do with you in the first place.

Absolutely. Yeah. That’s a very good lesson to learn. if you haven’t haven’t read, have you ever read the book The four agreements? I sure have. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I know that’s one of the things they talk about is to talk. I need to re-read it. I don’t don’t anything virtually. Yeah. That’s really, you know what? I actually have it back here and I’m gonna reread it just because you brought it.

I need to. All right. Good. Cool. okay. What was I gonna ask you? Oh, now I just lost my train of thought, but it’ll come back to me. So let me think. Oh, I know. okay. So as part of, you know, the entrepreneurial journey, it comes to a point, you know, certainly when you start a business, at some point, you’re gonna have to start hiring people.

So it sounds like you have been doing that. So how has that been in learning to be a leader of, of your organization. Yeah. I’m having to read a lot of books about leadership and delegation and, it’s weird. I went from like, I’m very much a, I think that I’m fairly. By nature, I’m fairly control oriented.

Like if you break down OCD, like what the root of that is, is really just wanting control over specific certain circumstances. So it’s been a learning curve like for the first couple years. I did not want to delegate at all. I wanted to do everything myself, cuz I knew that if I handed it off to someone they wouldn’t do as good of a job as me or at least that’s what I thought.

Right. And I started. Making a conscious effort. I was burning myself out and I started making a conscious effort to, I mean, there’s a line. You don’t wanna hire people who aren’t good at their jobs. Right. But also you need to let go and understand that if someone that you delegate to does 65% of the job that you could, but them doing that allowed you to do a hundred percent of something else.

Right. Then you’re still operating in 165% capacity, which is pretty good. So yeah, I’m, I’m reading a lot of books about effective delegation and I’m still learning like how to hand a task to someone and trust them. But I will say that, mentally. It’s gotten much easier to delegate and make peace with less than ideal outcomes because I’m learning now that this is part it’s kinda like when you learn how to ride a bike and you fall and scrape your knee.

You’re like, well, yeah, this is part of learning the thing. I’m not an idiot. So that’s kind of the way I’m treating delegation as like I’m, I’m kind of expecting some knee scrapes and not getting so upset when they happen. Yeah. And also. Or at least I’ve found sometimes that it can really be wonderful when the person you’re delegating to does actually a better job than you could have done.

Yes. And that happens. Have you had that? Yes. If you make the right hires, like, we are very fortunate right now. because I made two, two hires this year. So far, it’s only been a few months this year and I made two hires and both of them have been tremendous bets and they will do. They will consistently do something that I would not think to have done and they do it so well that they’re like, do you have any edits?

And I’m like, I literally do not have any input. Like this is great. Yeah. And that feeling, I heard another CEO this morning on a call say, I routinely feel like the least equipped person on my team. And I was like, that’s amazing because that means you’re surrounded by all of these like super high performers.

Yeah. And that that’s just a sign of good hiring hiring is very difficult, but when you get it right, you, you just feel so you’re like overwhelmed with gratitude. Yeah, absolutely. I, I, I know I, for those of you who are who have been listening to this podcast and you check out the show notes. I originally did those myself and then I hired someone to number one, edit the podcast, cuz I was also doing that and then to do the show notes and I was just blown away and how much better they were yeah.

And he, and he did like so many more than I was doing, cuz I just didn’t have the time either. Yeah. Because I was trying to run my business and do this at the same time. And so it, it is so good that you’ve learned to be able to delegate and, and are still learning. And, and that’s the thing too, is that you are, we’re always gonna be learning every aspect as you continue to grow.

And, and you, you know, they say even when you, as you scale and, and keep hitting new Heights, you’re gonna have to then learn some new skills to be able to manage that as well. Which actually brings me to a question that just occurred to me. What is your goal for this company? Where would you like to see it?

Like say in the next two to five years, So I shared before that my dream was never to start a company. Right. so I never wanted to be a CEO that was not like I wasn’t a kid with a poster on my wall, like some business guy. Right. I have like a bunch of rockstar posters on my wall. Yeah. Yeah. So, my dream has.

I think less to do with what I want the business to look like and more to do with like what I want our impact to look like. And, you know, I do think about the business implications of that, but I think even before I started the business, my focus was on like reach and primarily through integration, like a reason why I suffered, By falling in between the cracks of the continuum of care.

My whole life was because these providers, every provider wanted to be everything for everybody. Like they want, every provider wanted to be the Walmart of mental health services. and you and I both know that some things you can buy from Walmart and it’s no big deal, right? Some things you probably don’t wanna buy from Walmart.

True. And that’s nothing against Walmart. It’s just certain places specialize in certain things. So my perspective has always been. You know, cope notes. What we do is really, really, really, really, really unique and helpful for people who are. Maybe they’re not interested in therapy yet. Maybe they’re not warmed up to the idea of taking medication, right?

Like these people who are not inpatient treatment, they don’t necessarily have psychology degrees. They’re not all they haven’t been, you know, it it’s it’s for people who need that healthy first or next step into their behavioral health journey. With that being said, my dream for the company is to integrate with other.

Providers who covered the other bases. Okay. I have no dream of being all four bases for someone’s mental health journey. I am happy to be that first or second base help. And once they need third or fourth, I wanna be so integrated with those other providers that when someone comes to meet them, They know that they can start with Cope notes.

And if someone comes to meet us, I know that once they’re past that second base point, we have great partners to hand them off to, to where it’s like a seamless transition into that next level of care. Very good. Yeah. That, that’s smart. That is really a smart way to look at it. one other thing that I, I wanna ask you about is now what are, what do you do cuz as.

We we’ve said, you know, entrepreneurial, you know, starting a, running a startup and everything is, it’s not easy. There’s a lot of challenges. So what do you do to be able to keep, you know, your mental health, especially since you’ve done so much work on it and to be able to stay, you know, Keeping yourself going in the best possible way.

What do you do? I, oh, actually quite a bit of my life is centered around like helping myself feel mentally healthier. It’s a very active, like sometimes people will meet me and go like, oh, well, yeah, you used to have schizophrenia. You don’t have it anymore and more. And it’s like, It’s a very active thing in my life that I work.

Like, this is why I can communicate because I actively work on improving my mental health. It’s not like it just disappeared. And you know, I’m like working on this, so, right. a lot of what I do centers around mental health, I would say that. I’m very careful with my sleep. very, very careful with it.

I’ve found that my mental health declines fairly rapidly if my sleep becomes disrupted for an extended period of time. so I do my best. I mean, a lot of times I’m in bed by 10 or 11, and I like it that way. I do not enjoy staying out any later. My sleep is very precious to me. I exercise quite a bit and then also I go to great lengths to.

Experience things that are not related to work in order to show myself that the world is bigger than what I’m building. So, like yesterday I went swimming just in a pool, my apartment complex as a pool, I went swimming, super simple. Thing, but being in the water, feeling the sun, watching kids play with their parents and stuff, I was just like, oh, this world is so big.

All my problems are, you know, and I feel the same when I ride my bike. Yeah. Or, you know, I, I still play and record music and all of these things just serve to prove to my brain that the world is massive. And it is not all about work and you, you can think about other things sometimes allowing my world to become bigger than my business has been really crucial for me.

That’s a very good lesson and, and something that I. Actively seek out as well. In fact, I’ve been, I just moved into a new apartment and so I’ve been riding my bike once a week cuz it’s like, I haven’t, hadn’t done it in, in a while and it was, I forget how much I enjoy it and I’ve just got a silly one speed bike, you know?

So, but it’s like, I feel like a kid again when I’m doing that and it’s a nice same nice break from, from the world. Yeah. Well, that’s awesome. is there anything, Anything, maybe. Did you wish you had known, when you first started out, especially with launching the business, is there anything you wish you’d known?

Yeah, I, I, this might sound kind of like, I might not love the way this sounds, cuz it might not sound as encouraging as I want it to sound, but. it’s not supposed to be so easy that you can do it all yourself. Like that’s not the way our economy is designed. it is extremely likely that you will need help.

And the earlier you seek that help , the, the sooner you enlist the help of other people and ask for outside input, the more trouble you’re gonna save yourself. I think a lot of my challenges came. in the form of me being so stubborn and single minded and controlling to say, you know, I don’t need you to do this.

I’ll do this myself. And I promise you if your business is successful, it will outgrow you. And you will need help. And oftentimes you won’t realize that until six months after you really needed the help. So, ask for help early and often. And if you notice that you haven’t asked anybody for help or input, for like a period of seven days, ask a mailman or something or ask your aunt, or just like get some outside opinion just to get into the habit of humbling yourself.

Cuz if you don’t humble yourself, your business, definitely. We will we’ll do that for you. yeah. That’s, that’s, that’s a very good lesson and, and I know it’s one I’ve learned and still need to learn sometimes as well. Yeah, same. Cause I still could use some more help than I’m doing right now. And, and I, and I recognize that and it.

It’s recognizing it is the first step as they say, right. You have to to be aware. So it’s all good. is there anything else that I didn’t ask you about or anything else that you think would be important for our listeners and to know about just that, One misconception around mental health that I always try to address as often as possible.

is this idea that you should really only be taking care of your mental health if you’re experiencing a mental health issue. And I just want to challenge that and say, you know, it’s kinda like saying. You know, Gloria, you only really need to brush your teeth if you have cavities, right? Yeah. Like that doesn’t make any sense.

Exactly. If you have teeth, you should be brushing them. So my encouragement to everyone listening is like, you know, you know, whether or not you, if you use Coke notes for it, that’s great. But if you’re, if you don’t have to, this is not a sales pitch. This is like, just do something to prioritize your mental and emotional health on a daily basis.

And I, this might sound call. I don’t care how you feel today or tomorrow or yesterday. I care that you do something to protect your brain mm-hmm yeah. Cause some days you might not feel like protecting it. You still have to dude, there are days. I don’t feel like brushing my teeth. Are you kidding me? It’s like, 10:30 PM and I’m so tired.

And I feel like if I brush my teeth, I’ll wake myself up, dude, whatever brush those teeth proverbially. So exactly. Yeah. My, my point is don’t wait mm-hmm to experience a symptom, start taking care of your brain. Yesterday mm-hmm . Absolutely. Yeah. Ah, this has been wonderful. I have enjoyed talking with you so much.

if there’s anybody out there who wants to learn more about you learn more about cope notes, where would you suggest they go? Well, If you wanna learn about cope notes, which is probably the more interesting topic you can go to cope notes.com. We have all sorts of information there. And like you said, we do have a, a seven day free trial, no strings attached.

You could just type your phone number in, get a free week. if you wanna learn about me, you can go to Johnny crowder.com and. If you are a Ted talk person or you wanna learn more about like how the brain works. I gave a Ted talk. so if you just Google Johnny Crowder, Ted talk, or look on YouTube for it.

I gave a talk about like, why your brain does the things that it does it, I find I’m biased, but I find it pretty interesting. So if you’ve listened to this whole podcast and you want to hear more, that might be a good next. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love learning about the brain. My, my sister had a couple books, like, you know, what makes a good brain great.

And, and things like that. And, and it’s just, I find it so fascinating. So, yes, I encourage all of you to go check out the Ted talk because it’s always good to learn more and, and why not learn about this? Lovely Organ that we have in our body. That is just so powerful. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you again.

Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you spending some time with us today, and I wish you luck on all of your endeavors and continued keeping that mental health of yours strong. So you can continue to help others too. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Gloria. Mm. And thank all of you for watching and listening.

I really appreciate you. And if you did get some value out of today’s episode, I encourage you to share it with a friend. And until next time as always, I encourage you to go out today and every day and live fully. Love deeply and engage authentically.

Did you know that a majority of entrepreneurs tend to discount the importance of their work and a good number Feel their success is simply due to luck. I know from personal experience that self doubt can keep you from having the kind of life and business you desire. That’s why I’ve created a free guide called uniquely you how to move from self doubt to self love in four simple steps. To claim your free guide Go to live love, engage.gift. that’s live love, engage.g-i-F-t.