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Reconciling Grief and Happiness with Emily Thiroux Threatt

How do you go about reconciling grief and happiness when dealing with loss? That’s exactly what we’re talking about today with guest Emily Thiroux Threatt. After her second husband died, she turned to writing to help deal with her grief. It was then she discovered she could use writing to help others deal with grief too.

This journey led Emily to write her book “Living and Loving Your Way Through Grief: A Comprehensive Guide to Reclaiming and Cultivating Joy and Carrying on in the Face of Loss.” As a grief transformation expert, she helps others find what to focus on during times of grief, giving them concrete tools during their most difficult times.

On this episode of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast:

  • Why Emily felt called to write her book.
  • What Emily found the most difficult in dealing with grief.
  • The strategy she uses to bring grief and happiness together.
  • The power of gratitude when expressing grief.
  • What happened differently than Emily expected when she started grief work.
  • The role forgiveness plays in grief.
  • How someone who has suffered loss can begin the grieving process.
  • How grief can lead you to lose sense of self (and what to do about it).
  • What Emily offers within the Grief and Happiness Alliance.
  • What Emily realized was missing when she began having grief conversations.
  • How free programs minimize the perceived value of a program.
  • Why saying “I’m sorry for your loss” isn’t typically helpful.
  • Helpful strategies to approach others who are grieving.
  • The people Emily has grieved in her own life and her personal experiences with loss.
  • Why reaching out to people who are dealing with loss is so important.

Connect with Emily

Emily’s website: https://lovingandlivingyourwaythroughgrief.com/

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You’re listening to the live love engage podcast on today’s show. We’re going to be talking about how to reclaim and cultivate joy while dealing with loss. Stay tuned. I am Gloria grace Rand, founder of the love method and author of the number one, Amazon best seller live love engage – how to stop doubting yourself and start being yourself.

In this podcast, we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully love, deeply and engage authentically. So you can create a life and business with more. Influence and income. Welcome to live. Love engage.

Namaste and welcome. Welcome. I am so delighted to be joining you again today for another edition of live love engage, and I’m delighted to have our guest with us who’s going to be talking about lots of different things here, but. Pretty much what, for those of you watching, but those are, you have YouTube. We’ll be able to tell, our guest is Emily Thiroux Threatt. And, I’ll just tell it through the rest of you listening at home. I’ll tell you more about why I mentioned that in a second, but anyway, welcome Emily to live Love, engage.

Thank you, Aloha. I’m really happy to be here. Well, we are happy to have you and yes. And the reason Emily said Aloha she’s, I’m so jealous. She is coming to us all the way from Hawaii, from the great, uh, island of Maui and, uh, Yeah, let me tell you a little bit more about why I’ve got her on the show today.

So she is the author of the book called loving and living your way through grief. And it is a comprehensive guide to reclaiming and cultivating joy. And carrying on in the face of loss and she, that book has been the winner of the book authority, best new grief book. And I’ve got the silver medal for the living now book awards.

And she’s also the founder of the grief and happiness Alliance and host of her own podcast called grief and happiness. And she has a lot of experience in the grieving process, learning to face love with love. Face life with love, optimism, and joy. And her mission is to comfort and support those dealing with grief and loss, focusing on happiness, which I know when you’re in the throws of grief, it often seems like when am I ever going to be happy again?

And I know, I may share a little bit about my experience with that because I definitely have felt that, but, I would love for you to tell our listeners and those watching on YouTube today as well. Why, why did you feel compelled to write this book? What prompted it? The writing of the book really came from me, dealing with the death of my second husband.

I’ve had two husbands die and I never thought I’d be in that position in my life. You know, you, you, when you get married, you might say something like till death do your part, but you don’t think that’s really going to happen. I found myself going, okay, now what do I do? And I was kind of struggling with that.

I’ve, I’ve taught writing for many years at the university in California, which I still do online. And that was good. And, and I loved to write, I’ve written a couple of college textbooks, so I thought, well, I should use writing since that’s what I’m comfortable with and familiar with to help me. And deal with my loss.

So I started writing lots of different things, writing journals, writing gratitude, lists, doing other things, finding things, and that writing that I thought, gee, I bet other people who are dealing with loss could benefit from learning how to use these writing techniques too. So I thought I’ll teach. So, oh, I haven’t lived on only that long.

Didn’t know that many people and didn’t know anybody on knowing you had had someone die. So I thought, how am I going to do this? So I went on meetup and had a scheduled, a meeting at my house saying, if this is your situation, we’re going to meet on this day at my house, come on over and we’ll write. And they did.

I was shocked. I had a nice size group and, uh, we actually stuck together right until the pandemic started. We met regularly and they loved it and we found that we were. I’m smiling a lot in the meetings. We have tears too, but we also were able to find happiness and what we were doing, and I loved what we were doing there.

And in the meantime, a few months after Ron died, a very good friend of his just dropped dead on the mainland and his friend was much, much younger. We were family, friends lived a couple blocks apart from each other and. He called my husband, dad. That’s that’s how big their age difference was. And I thought I’ll, his wife is not going to have a clue of what to think about or what’s important or what she needs to do.

Cause she wasn’t at a point in her life where this was anything she would have anticipated. So I wrote her a long letter that said, I understand where you are right now. And through my experiences, I’ve discovered that these are the things that you need to pay attention to right now. And these are the things that you don’t.

And I was able to get it to her within a few hours actually, after he died. And she let me know later how valuable that was to her, because nobody told her things like that. Everybody come and say, I’m sorry for your loss, but nobody was giving her anything concrete or something. She could do something with her about.

So I thought, wow, I, I should do more. Then there must be something else I could do. I decided that what was hard for me was the kind of loneliness of the first year of not having anybody that really related to what you were going through. And so I decided I would write her a note and mail it to her in the mail.

So she gets something in the mailbox every week for the first. And after I decided to do that, I thought, well, I’d better. See if I’ve got 52 things that I can say. So I sat down and wrote a list of 52 different things that would carry on through that first year. And I thought, this is, this is really good.

You know, I really liked what I was offering to her. And as a writer, I thought, and it’s also. So I got a publisher and got a contract and wrote the book and it came out this last January. That’s amazing. There’s a lot there that that you talked about that I think is useful for someone going through grief now, now, correct me if I’m wrong.

Cause it sounded like you were saying at the beginning though, in this meetup group you were actually writing. So that was what types of things were you writing about or is it just like writing about your feelings or what was different every time I’ve, I’ve always. Focused on positivity. So I, the one thing I didn’t want was for everybody to just sit and cry through the whole meeting and then never come back.

Right. So we needed to do something that would be a balance that could include that. And, and that positivity is what led me to found a grief and happiness. And a lot of times when I say those two words together, grief and happiness people go, oh yeah, right. But the more they’re around what we do and, and who I am, the more they can buy into it.

And the more they smile and that’s real, really what I’m looking for is to help people be able to take a deep breath and smile. So we would do things. I like we learned the value of gratitude and different ways to express that, especially in writing. And that was so powerful. Everybody always w they they’d always start off with, I don’t have anything to be grateful for my.

Husband or my mom or my child or whoever my dog, whoever it was died. And so w that would give us an opportunity to talk about that a little bit and then write about it. And they were always surprised with the things that they found as they did that. And then they’d come back and go, you know, I’ve been doing that gratitude lists and it makes a big difference.

I feel better when probably their favorite exercise that we do is to write a letter to their loved one who died and. Everything that they want to tell them if they were there right there at that moment, what, what would it be that they be talking about? Thank them for anything that they didn’t get a chance to, or tell them anything.

They didn’t get a chance to tell them whatever it is. Just, just write it to them. And the thing that they liked best about it is when they finished writing the letter, they then would write another letter that was back to them from whoever they wrote the letter. I love that it was, it’s always powerful.

They always, even people, if I would have told them what they were doing ahead of time, they might have resisted. But when I just said, okay, now this is what you do. And they did it. They would be surprised at the experiences they had from a, at either provided comfort or release relief or closure on something that they didn’t get to have that before, or just the, the good feeling of, remembering how wonderful it was to be supported by someone you loved.

And it works for anybody. It doesn’t have to be husbands. When, when I started, I thought everybody’s gonna come because their husbands died. Cause that’s what happened to me. But we dealt with all kinds of loss, especially in the last couple of years with COVID all the different kinds of loss that, that, that brought or is bringing.

Hmm. If it’s just powerful and they love the other thing that we do is after they do it, they don’t have to read their, whatever they wrote to each other, but they talk about how it felt to write whatever it was that they write. Or if there was something they wanted to share, they do. And it’s different every time different people shared.

Kinds of things each time, but they love having somebody to talk to about it because one of the things that’s missing the most, especially in that first year of dealing with loss is somebody that gets you to understand. Cause you might have a lot of friends, but not necessarily friends that have been experiencing something similar.

Yeah. And it’s not the same between people, but there are commonalities that make it really nice to have somebody to talk to. May they develop lasting deep friendships there? Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I know. It’s been five years now since I lost my sister and that first area was really sucked, you know, it really did.

And, and I did go to, I actually went to like, a couple of grief, group grief counseling sessions, just to be able to talk to. Talk to someone, number one, but also to be able to be around people who had also suffered a loss because it was, yeah. And like a fresh loss, you know, because I think everybody, at some point as lost a family member or something, uh, where, you know, we’re a good friend, but when it’s fresh that first year, that’s when, you know, cause I think sometimes with, with time, you know, you, you forget, that’s I think the wonderful thing, frankly, about our brains is that we can kind of.

Let go of some of that, you know, real pain. That’s so tangible when you’re in the throws of it. One thing I wanted to ask you about too, though, now, when you were sending these letters to, to your husband, but the widow of your husband’s friend. So what were some of the things that you were sharing?

In there. And then I, that, I imagine though, that’s, what’s, what’s in this book fan as well, so be sure maybe one or two of those. Okay. Actually that the book was twice as long when I signed the contract for it. And they ended up making it that 52 chapters because I wrote a chapter on. Each week. And so we, we agreed that we’d put out a book with 26 chapters and then the other one is going to be following with the other 26.

So each chapter is on a totally different subject. So if there’s something in particular, you, you look through the table of contents and you go, oh, I think that’s what I need to be thinking about right now. And one of the big ones is forgivable. You don’t necessarily think that forgiveness is associated so much with grief, but it generally is.

There’s, there’s all kinds of different things and it, it gives you ideas of, of how to deal with forgiving any importance of forgiving. And then it’s very, very difficult to move forward without forgiveness. And that the main person that you always need to forgive first is yourself. And people don’t always realize that it’s always he did this, or she did that.

And that’s, that’s not really what you’re forgiving. And when you can get past that, It’s an incredible release relief that, that comes to you, that you’re not carrying that around with you and worrying about it anymore. You can, you can actually, release it. So there’s. Different in literally 52 different subjects that are covered between the two books.

Another one I would say the most popular one is gratitude. And I know gratitude is something that a lot of people go, oh yeah, yeah. It really works. And I was one of those people when I had, a friend. Tell me about, you know, why don’t you do a gratitude list? And I said, I don’t have anything to be grateful for.

My husband died. I’m, you know, I’m not in a good place. And then another friend said the same thing to me. And I thought, you know, I’ve always said that when I keep hearing the same message from different directions, then I need to pay attention to it. Not necessarily do it, but I need to pay attention to it.

And so I thought I’ll try so. I started writing things that I was grateful for. And I was shocked because here I was thinking I had nothing to be grateful for because I was in such a bad place, but there were so many good, wonderful, positive things in my life or things that were going on right down the, I thought, you know, things aren’t as bad as I thought they were.

And the more I wrote, the more I wrote, I finally ended up getting a notebook just for gratitude at that point, because I’ve been like, if I was standing in line at the bank, I’d be pulling a receipt out of my purse so I could write something on the back. So I wouldn’t forget it because I wanted to remember each thing that I was grateful for because I knew it made me feel better when I focused on.

And it expressing gratitude is incredibly powerful. And I really suggest everybody do that. Doesn’t have to be just dealing with grief, but everything in general that you’ll find when you’re dealing with loss, that it’s especially helpful because that’s the time where you think you don’t have anything to be grateful for.

And when you realize that to do it, it changes every. Yeah, I can relate to that and understand it and, and know that definitely things have changed in my life. The more I have spent time focusing on things to be grateful for. Absolutely. what, what would you say would be maybe the first thing or one of the, maybe first things that someone.

Could do, when they’ve suffered a loss to be able to, you know, start moving, you know, cause of when they’ve realized that it’s like, you know, I’m just so tired of being sad. How do I, how do I shift my energy? What, what would be, something that you would recommend they should do. Well, the number one thing that I recommend and people sometimes are kind of resistant to it and I don’t care.

I tell them anyway, it’s important it’s to take care of yourself because the first thing that happens is you kind of lose the sense of. Hmm. You either forget to eat or you eat everything in the house or you can’t get out of bed or you can’t go to sleep or it there’s, there’s all these. Opposite extremes that come to you.

Uh, some people stop taking vows, stop taking locks, stop going to the gym, stop anything that’s that’s good and healthy for them. It seems to fall away. Like they’re not worthy of it anymore, or they just can’t face it right down. And that’s the time to face it. And to realize that they’re, they’re worthy of very good self care.

To do things. So I take a bubble bath or find a really good book that you can get lost. And I recommend books over movies because movies, you can kind of zone out and your mind starts going along. I wish I had that. Or why didn’t I get to go there? You know, that sort of thing, where with the book, you have to concentrate more on it and you’re creating your own images and pictures when you’re going through it.

And when you find good books to read that that can really help. So self care is that. The number one first thing for anybody dealing with any kind of loss. Cause if you can’t take care of yourself, it’s that old oxygen mask thing that the, when you’re on a flight, they always tell you to put the oxygen mask on you first.

And if you don’t take care of yourself, Take care of anything else? Yeah, that’s for sure. Yeah. Cause I, I know when, when my sister passed, I was just like, I just gave myself permission to eat my grief and I was like, oh, it was just not the right thing to do. Cause I had, I had, I had lost like 45 pounds of before then, like in a year before.

And so I just went. Putting all those pounds right back on when I finally, I mean, exactly. Cause it was like, I was right to the same starting weight of when I started the last time I was like, oh man, why did I do that? You know, but sometimes you that’s things you do or, you know, you, you, you make mistakes now going forward from, you know, talking to people like you.

I can make different choices and. You know, that’s part of learning and living, I think, is living. It is, uh, learning from, I’m not going to say mistakes, but maybe from choices that weren’t as healthy as they could have been otherwise. But yeah. Yeah. And then, then too, when you have somebody to talk to like in the, the writing group and now in my briefing happiness Alliance, Somebody will say something, but they’ll go.

I did that too. You know, they don’t realize that they’re not the only one that did whatever it is and the more they can see that they can make healthy choices and that they can have mutual support from people to make healthy choices together, then that that can make a big difference. So I, if you’re picking up that bag of potato chips, Instead of eating the whole thing you could call one of the people that, that you have found in, in, like the grief and happiness Alliance.

And you can have a conversation instead of a bag of chips, you to have a few chips, that’s fine. Cause depriving yourself, also isn’t Really good, because that opens up a whole nother thing to deal with, but have the few chips, but focus on the conversation instead, and then you can put the chips away and enjoy them for several days instead of eating them all in a half an hour.

I speak from experience. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Worrying that whole pint of Haagen-Dazs ice cream. That’s not good either. Been there, done that. Now you, you mentioned, you just mentioned again that the grief and happiness Alliance, tell us a little bit about that. Well, I discovered, the, the more I was at first, when I published the book, I decided the way to get the word out there was to be on as many podcasts and interviews and TV shows and everything that I could do, to get the word out.
So I was doing that and I found that everybody was. It was like, they were trying to bring it down and I was always trying to bring it back up, you know, that, you know, it’s okay to be happy. It’s, it’s okay to take care of yourself when you’re in this situation. And after Jacques died, I discovered Marci Shimoff’s book, happy for no reason.

And I read that and she’s phenomenal. She’s just got followers all over the world and in being happy. And I didn’t realize how not happy I was until I read that book and I thought this I can, I can change how I look at things and I really did. And, and it helped me and it also made it so that when I met Ron, which I had sworn, I was never going to even date again, let alone get married, but I was ready for it because I had been able to shift my focus into positivity.

So when I started doing these, all these conversations with different people, I was realizing that what, what was missing was a real emphasis for me on positivity and happiness. And I discovered that Marcy had a program called The happy for no reason certified trainer program that you can go through.

And in it you’ll learn all the happiness techniques that she’s taught for years all over the world. She goes all different places; talks to thousands of people at a time, does business training, all this sort of thing. And she’s very, very successful. And by being a certified trainer, she allows you to use anything that she’s put out there because she’s taught you how to most positively present it and help other people with it.

So I immediately shifted everything to grief and happiness, and because I thought loving and living your way through your loss are to grief was saying that, but it wasn’t saying it as directly. It was my intention, but it wasn’t coming across as directly. If you just like read the, the, uh, name of the book.

So. I thought, how can I do this? And I thought, well, I love teaching writing, and I know all these happiness practices. So how can I combine that? And I got this idea to do the grief and happiness Alliance, which would be online, which I’ve become very comfortable with. I actually started teaching my writing classes at the university online in the early 1990s.

I’ve been doing it that long. So I’m very comfortable with teaching online and I thought I could get a group together. Every week. And we would do one of the half of the writing practices, like, like we do when we’d have the writing meetings. I still do just the writing group online too. and I would teach them happiness programs and we would have breakout sessions.

So they’d get to know each other and talk to each other in smaller groups and make friends. And so they had all three of those things would happen each time. And I thought now I think this is a really wonderful idea. Is anybody else going to think that? So I decided to do a pilot program and I got a bunch of people together from all over the country.

And we went through a pilot program together. We, we discussed first what my concept was and how I wanted to do it. And then I went through with what a. Gathering one of the meetings, weekly meetings would be like, and they participated in the whole thing. And then afterwards we talked about it and said, okay, now what do we do?

And one of the things, first of all, they all loved it and said, this is what the world needs now, you know, there’s, there’s not something like that out there. And. They said, we all agreed on that. And that, that made me very happy. And I said, my one thing that I’m kind of struggling with is when you do programs online, generally you charge for them.

And generally it costs kind of a lot of money. And I didn’t want to put people in that position. Yeah. I also wanted them to value the class. And back in the olden days, when I was having children, I taught childbirth education classes. And when I taught them for Kaiser, where I worked at the time they had to pay.

Uh, it wasn’t a big amount that they had to pay something and they came to all the classes and that enabled the father to be able to go into the delivery room and that he couldn’t, if they didn’t go to my classes, well, I ended up moving to a very small town and. People from the college came and knocked on my door.

That’s how small the town was. They heard that I taught childbirth education classes and they said they wanted the college to do it as a community service. And they, they got me to be a certified instructor through the state of California with what you have to do for community colleges. And. We started offering the classes and the classes were free because that was their idea of community service was to do it for free.

Well, I’d have a huge group the first night. People would drop off the second night. By the third night, there weren’t that many people there and the rest of the class, just those ones that really wanted to be there were there. And I realized that they didn’t see the value in it because they didn’t pay for it.

So what I thought I could do with this, what came to me to do with this is explaining that yeah, it costs money to do this sort of thing. However, we have created this group that goes along with this, it’s the grief and happiness Alliance non-profit organization. And they support this. So you can come to these classes with no charge because these very generous donors are supporting what we’re doing. So that way they see the value and they don’t have to pay. So anybody that wants to can come to these classes and we’ve gone on from there, we’ve got all these grand plans of things that we’re going to do now that we can offer, because it was a non-profit, you can raise money to do different projects that could serve people who are dealing with grief.

And we’ve got a list, a mile long, the things that we would like to do. So as, as we are, as the money expands, then the programs will expand. And it won’t be just the weekly meetings. There’ll be all kinds of other things that will benefit people who are dealing with grief and loss.

Wonderful. That sounds great. One other thing I was curious about, I’m wondering if you might be able to comment on that is do you know what would be a commonly held belief about grief and the grieving process that you passionately disagree with?

I think it’s how you treat people who are grieving. People think that they they’re doing the right thing by doing what they heard somebody else do or something that they had heard before, but they’re not taking into consideration the individual person that they’re dealing with. And. I can say that with, I had finally gotten to the point where I can hear this and not get upset, but when people say, I’m sorry for your loss, I just wanted to say, just go away.

Don’t say that that’s not helpful because what they do is say, I’m sorry for your loss. How about that Dodger game? It was, it was like what they were, they felt an obligation. Lots of people feel that they have an obligation when they hear there’s a loss to say that before they can say anything else.

And to them that’s like the gateway that, okay, I did that. Now we can just ignore it and go on and do other things. And it’s the, just ignore it part that’s, that’s hard. And if you can be thoughtful in what you say to people who are grieving, that’s so much better. And the number one thing that I recommend to do when being thoughtful of something good to say to someone who’s grieving is to say something positive about the person or the loss, whatever it is.

And use the person’s name. If it’s a person. It like, it made all the difference in the world to me, when somebody, when, when my parents died, I remember, one of their friends saying to me with a big smile, your parents loved each other so much. They had been to their 50th wedding anniversary celebration and they said that what always impressed him about my parents was that whenever they saw them walking, they were holding hands.

After all those years, they still were holding hands that made me. And when I brought tears, but it made me feel great. And it’s a memory that I, I still think of that conversation that somebody had with me. Cause it was so loving. And unsolicited. It was just a beautiful thought that they wanted to share. And other things I’ve had like when one with Jacques.

He was, he was a philosophy professor, but he also was an actor and singer in the, in the community. And people love to listen to him sing and would go to any show that he was in. And I was always say, oh, we miss seeing Jacques on the stage. And me, he was so funny or had such a beautiful voice, saying things like that it’s so much better than saying, oh, it’s too bad that he died.

So whatever the situation is, if you can put a positive spin on it. And if you can’t say. You know, I really am here for you. I would be happy to come sit with you and hold your hand. I’d be happy to have you call. And we don’t even have to talk on the phone, but I’ll be there on the other end of the lie.

And that way you’re not expecting something of the person, like you’re not expecting them to pour their heart out to you. And you’re not, they’re not expecting you to tell them what to do. It’s just a matter of loving support and compassion. Yeah, that’s very helpful because especially when it’s a situation where perhaps you don’t know the person who died, you don’t know them personally.

So, you know, you’re thinking, well, gosh, you know, what can I say? I can only go by what someone else is saying, but that’s helpful to be able to just, yeah, just say, Hey, I’m here for you. If you need, uh, uh, you know, someone just to, to sound off with, or just, just. Just to be there. That’s so important because that sometimes is all you need.

You just want to have somebody there who can just hold space for you and hold space for the grief until they can get. Yeah. And the big thing is to do something, whether you knew that person or not, my sister died last November, not this year, but last year. And she didn’t die of COVID, but it was when it was raging where she was living.

And so I couldn’t fly there to be there. And that was hard. And nobody on the island knew my sister may not have even knew that I had a sister. Right. Nobody said anything to me at all. And even though I, I, you know, mentioned on my social media things that I do, and in the writing that I was doing in my groups, my groups were really good with me because they’ve learned how to deal with it.

But any of my acquaintances didn’t do anything because they, they just, especially people that don’t know who it is that you lost. Yeah. They don’t. And that’s, that’s hard. When, when my, I know when my, my dad died, I was working at the university and teaching on-ground classes in the classroom. And I took a couple of days off to go up and take care of business and do the, the, funeral that we had and everything.

And when I came back, nobody said anything. He lived in a different town. They’ve never met him. Everybody kind of assumes people have parents, but don’t know whether they’re alive or dead, you know, they did nothing. And I thought, how could you do that? Because I was always the one that if I heard of any, anybody having something, I would send them a card or I’d talk to them, or I would do something always with everyone and not one of them did that for me.

So the one thing that I can really encourage you to do is to reach out. And in some way, it doesn’t have to be any way in particular or anything you’re uncomfortable with, but just do or say something. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Cause that’s probably, even if someone had said something inappropriately, at least they

just say, oh yeah, absolutely. I still appreciate everything that you’re doing. And I know I’m sure there are lots of our listeners and viewers out there who, you know, may have either suffering through, may I don’t want to say suffering, let’s say they’re going through a loss right now, or maybe they have in the last year or so.

And would like love some more information about maybe joining the Alliance. How can people do that? Well, my, my email address and my website is the same as the name of my book. So you can look online at lovingandlivingyourwaythroughgrief dot com or email me at Emily at lovingandlivingyourwaythroughgrief.com. Or listen to my podcast; all my information is there in the show notes, since the grief and happiness, grief and happiness podcast on apple podcasts and Spotify, places that you get podcasts, or even get the book. There’s, there’s a lot there. It’s available in audio and kindle and a soft cover coffees. I’m also do public speaking. If anybody has a group that could benefit from this information, I would be happy to do that right now. It’s all online. We can have pretty good groups online doing that sort of thing.

That’s true. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I will make sure that I have all that information in our show notes as well, so that anyone can get in touch with you. And, I’m so glad that we had a chance to get together today and to, share your message that yeah, you know, There is life after death in us. Won’t go, we’ll go down that way.

But I would say life for the living after death. How about that? And there is, you can be happy again and, I’m glad that you are doing well, and as you are helping others as well. And I think that’s, you know, that’s, that’s important too, which we didn’t really talk about, but maybe, maybe before we go real quick, have you found, because it just occurred to me, have you found one way?

Also being able to help yourself for, to help people get through grief is for them to actually help us. As well, you know, not necessarily through grief, but maybe, you know, volunteering or doing something else where they’re not focusing in on themselves. Absolutely. The more you do for someone or something else, the more it’s going to help you as well as helping them.

It’s interesting. You said that. Cause I was just in the process when, right before we started writing for my blog for this week and it’s on, on paying it forward. And I really believe in doing that, that if you’ve gained something from somebody else, instead of like paying them or, or, you know, sending them flowers or something, do something forward, that’s going to help somebody else be.

It’s not only going to help someone else, you’re going to feel a lot better too. And the more you can do that, the more space there is for happiness in your life. Yeah, absolutely. Well, awesome. Well thank you again for being here and, uh, some mixture, check out the book, loving and living your way through grief.

And, I encourage you to, you know, Connect with Emily, if this resonated with you today. And, yeah. Thank you. Thank you again for being here to tell you. I appreciate it. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. And thank all of you for listening to the podcast. I really do appreciate you.

And in fact, if you, if you like what you’re hearing about. We would love some reviews and ratings as well on your favorite podcast platform, including, Spotify. So that would be great. So until next time as always, I am Gloria Grace Rand, and I encourage you to go out and live fully, love deeply and engage authentically.

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Known as The Insightful Copywriter, Gloria Grace Rand is also an inspirational speaker, author and host of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast. Prior to launching her SEO Copywriting business in 2009, Gloria spent nearly two decades in television, most notably as writer and producer for the award-winning PBS financial news program, “Nightly Business Report.”

Gloria turned to writing as a way to communicate, since growing up with an alcoholic father and abusive mother taught her that it was safer to be seen and not heard. But not speaking her truth caused Gloria problems such as overeating, control issues, and an inability to fully trust people. After investing in coaching & personal development programs, and studying spiritual books like “A Course in Miracles,” Gloria healed her emotional wounds. Today, she helps entrepreneurs develop clarity, confidence and connection to the truth of who you are, so you can create a business that has more impact, influence and income!

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