Today we’re joined by Claire and James Davis, the husband-and-wife team behind 38 Degrees North, a multi-award-winning coaching and fitness company. They also created The Midlife Mentors, which is their podcast and coaching company.
Claire and James are passionate about helping midlife individuals achieve the body and lifestyle they deserve. They leverage their backgrounds in psychology, coaching, and NLP to positively influence the lives of their clients. They’ll discuss the importance of exercise, nutrition, and stress management to support a high quality of life in midlife and beyond.
On this episode of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast:
- How and why Claire and James came together in business.
- How hormonal changes influence your physical and mental health in midlife.
- What inspired Claire to take an interest in fitness and nutrition.
- Why they find it fulfilling to work with midlife clients.
- How a midlife crisis is an identity crisis.
- How to make midlife health changes a more positive transition.
- Midlife changes in men and signs of male menopause.
- The couple’s six pillars of midlife wellbeing.
- The importance of practicing high intensity interval training later in life.
- Why changing your belief system is foundational to greater health in midlife.
- Why everyone needs healthy strategies for stress management.
- How breathwork supports the central nervous system.
- Why quality of life is more important than plain longevity.
- How reducing sugar influences menopausal women.
- What having sugar in your cupboard indicates.
- The way Claire and James’ program is designed.
- How getting out of your comfort zone supports positive change.
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You’re listening to the live love engage podcast on today’s show. We’re going to be talking about how men and women in midlife can achieve not only the body, but the lifestyle they deserve. Stay tuned. I am Gloria Grace Rand, founder of the love method and author of the number one, Amazon best seller live love, engage – how to stop doubting yourself and start being yourself. In this podcast, we provide practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully love, deeply and engage authentically. So you can create a life and business with more impact, influence, and income. Welcome to live. Love. Engage.
Namaste and welcome. Welcome to another edition of live love, engage. And I am Gloria Grace Rand your host.
And I am delighted to have not one but two guests on the podcast today, we, I would love to welcome Claire and James Davis coming to us all the way from Spain.
well, we are glad to have you, and let me just tell our audience and, and those of you who are watching this on YouTube as well, who these lovely, this lovely couple is and why I have them on the show today. So, Claire and James Davis are the husband and wife team behind the multi-award winning coaching and fitness company called 38 degrees north.
They are also podcasters as well. They’ve got a successful midlife health podcast called the midlife mentors and their passion is helping folks in mid-life achieve not only the body, but the lifestyle they deserve and they, they’ve got a eight week program that they offer folks and they use a science-based approach, leveraging their backgrounds in psychology, coaching and NLP to empower individuals with the tools and knowledge they need to make positive changes in their lives.
And they’ve been on, featured in lots of publications and, and, regularly run workshops and all sorts of things. So, if you haven’t heard of them by now, you’re, you’re hearing about them now. So I’m glad of that. And I, I know we’re going to talk about specifically today about actually, how to deal with menopause for women and andropause for men.
But I thought we’d get started actually with talking a little bit about how the two of you, wound up actually in business together and, and have been doing this coaching and fitness stuff. So how did that all start? Wow. How long have you gone through,
let me tell you the short version. So, we both worked in a corporate careers in London doing, doing things. I’d, I’d start as a, as a lifestyle journalist and they get more involved in the content strategy side of businesses. Well, it’s a big media organizations. Claire started her career in PR fashion. PR nothing is safe to say she didn’t enjoy that.
Did not Enjoy that. We didn’t know each other at that time. But in 2011, I left my career in London to move to a little island in the Mediterranean called Ibiza with the concept of running fitness holidays, Ibiza is famously known for its clubbing and its hedonistic lifestyle, which I experienced when I was younger, but it’s also a very beautiful island and health and fitness has always been a part of my life.
So I wanted to basically bring people there and give them a great experience, educate and give them the tools to help transform and change their lives. While I was there, I was married, that marriage broke up., I met Claire over there independently of marriage breakup. I should hasten to add. Yes. We always need to add that.
And then, the curious thing was we found out that both of our marriages broke up, pretty much the same time. So Claire was back in England and I was in Ibiza. Then we had about a year of to-ing and fro-ing didn’t we? I wasn’t very helpful.
tell everyone that. Because he didn’t, he does still like to play, play the guilt card. Of course. Uh, and then we got together and having the back. I mean, she’s my, she’s my inspiration. She’s really helped take us to the next level. And how we got to what we do now – the midlife was basically, you know, the background of doing the fitness holidays.
Obviously we’re lucky to work with thousands of clients over that time. So you get to see similar kind of themes repeating to clear like certain age or. Oh, so I’m 49 right now. How old am I James. 41
Good. That you erred on the side of younger. Nice.
He does this every single time. I think being 49. Now it says clearly you’ve got some brain fog there. James, you want to talk about the mailman. And, we also love what we do. We started investigating more and more, you know, what’s happening in mid life. Now what the hormonal changes. Cause also because we’ve been very conscious of like the physical changes going on here, both men and women, we were aware of these things happening.
But what’s driving that. And the answer is a lot of it’s driven by our hormones and that has a knock on effect that has mental and emotional effects as well as physical. And of course, when you put all those together, as they can be a whole lot of psychological effects as well. And we kind of got friends who are like, oh, we know, I think this age, this is just it.
Now it’s inevitable decline. And I’ve just got to put up with like no energy and expanding waistline. I know, so we just dove into it even even harder, tested out loads of the science and research on ourselves, started podcasting about it. That was the first dip into the midlife mentors really was the podcast.
So that was at the beginning of 2019. And that was really exciting cause that’s just James and I passionate putting stuff out there with no agenda. Going out there and having a bit of banter, but we will hear when already off, but obviously giving people a real holistic approach to midlife health and happiness.
So touching on all that you know, my, my backgrounds, I was never into fitness. Really at all. I had a really bad relationship with my body, really bad relationship with food growing up. And then I went through a divorce and the reason I got into doing this after my career in PR. It was because all I was put on antidepressants, and I’m not guessing they save lives.
They’re really, really crucial to helping people get through some really challenging times. But what I’ve I’ve I felt like I didn’t want to be on them for the rest of my life. I was very aware I didn’t want to be on them for the rest of my life. And you know, my weight ballooned, I actually felt very disconnected from my spiritual self.
So I decided to find other ways that might help me reduce my aging come off. So I ended up getting into the nutrition, getting into the fitness, understanding the science. And once I was hurt, I was like, I’ve got to qualify in this and help other people really feel powerful in themselves and regain control when everything else is, is going out of control.
And he’s crazy around you. One of the often the only thing that you can control is your health, whether it’s, you know, in all areas, your fitness. Your nutrition, your spiritual health or mental health and gaining control back over that does start to help heal those, those things that are going on in your life.
So I wasn’t into it. I then got into it and just after I met James and then moved over to Ibiza very quickly to join him. And yeah, that’s how I moved over to ibiza. Before I left, I made a big bold move to, to live my life over in Ibiza. And you know, it wasn’t without its challenges, but, you know, like James says we haven’t looked back and, we’re just really excited to do what we do because our values are so aligned with what we want to share with the world.
So. Awesome. What, what do you like best about actually in particular working with, you know, this age group, you know, the people in midlife. I think, yeah, the thing is is you enjoy, you’re waiting for whatever it is. They were relatable. They, you can relate to them. You try to now a lot of our clients are still in that corporate world or entrepreneurs, and they’ve got all these pressures and stresses.
And what we always talk about is when we’re growing up, when we were younger, we had this kind of vision of midlife. That part, that’s fine. I’m in my late forties, my fifties, life’s going to be amazing. Everything will be sorted. You know, I’ll have no worries. I’ll top of the top of the world of my game. Actually what happens is there’s all these crazy pressures, you know, w we’re trying to juggle careers, finances, family, aging parents, raising children, and that the whole melting pot of stress.
Really tough for people to deal with. So understanding that coming and coming from that place and just showing people that it’s not the time to give up, but actually it’s about embracing the second act with, with real joy and redefining what you want from life, but who you want to be to, to get that from life as well.
I think it’s so true and we say so often, there is an identity crisis. You know, we always say about the midlife crisis and we laugh and there’s been a really negative spin on it, you know? But actually it’s an identity crisis where, you know, we, we look at all the things, our status, our, the things that we’ve gathered around us on material possessions and other sorts of things.
All things that we worked for so hard, and we’ve got all this stuff and we’ve got this identity and the status and everything, but it’s honestly, I think is at midlife, what you start to think, actually, who am I? Is this, am I being fulfilled? Am I connected to my true self? Like where am I going with this?
Do I, do I want more? Do I want to understand myself more? So it’s a beautiful thing and everything is interlinked, but how in, in that journey, it’s your hormones. It’s your nutrition, it’s your movement. It’s your mindset, your spiritual connection, it’s everything. And the beauty of what we do is touch on all those parts.
So it’s a complete inside out transformation. That’s awesome. Now I, I know one of the things that happens of course in midlife is that, uh, we, we go through our bodies actually go through this physical change and thankfully I’m, I’m, I’m well past that now. But I, you talk about how that, well, actually, let me, let me ask you this first, actually, what is a commonly held belief about like menopause and andropause that you passionately disagree with?
That for women that there’s something wrong with me, I’m not doing things properly or that it’s really, really hard. And it just, it’s just going to be really, really hard. And there’s not much I can do about that. I’m just going to have to suck it up. And potentially go on HRT, potentially go on antidepressants and then that’s it, that’s my lot.
Because that is sadly, if there is quite a lot, I mean, we see it because we’re in the field. We see quite a lot of negativity. Where it goes from being inclusive and sharing and supportive of other women to actually just kind of going really, really negative around it. And there are so many things that you can do and should start doing in your late thirties and early forties to start helping and supporting lifestyle modifications that can support you as you’ve moved through paramedicals and menopause.
Yeah, well, I’m sorry, go ahead, James. Do you want to add to that? I say on the, on the men’s side of telling that, so for the man, uh, the, the myth I will dispel is that the male menopause is a myth. Because you know, it’s, it’s a hormonal change going on in your body. So you, you are very likely to be affected by it at some point between your forties and sixties.
What does that look like? Because I’m curious, even though, even though I’m married and I’ve probably seen it in my husband, but I would like to maybe have confirmation of it cause we’ve never talked about it. Well, yeah, it was interesting at all. A lot of the work we do is actually about educating men and women about what’s going on.
So both of them, what we’ve observed in a relationship, obviously a lot of things can get thrown off by female menopause and male menopause. And often if partners are open and talk about it and actually distanced them, for men. Well, the key thing that’s happening is though all primary sex organ is testosterone that peaks in our twenties.
And it’s declining between one and 2% per year from then on, which doesn’t sound like a lot but the cumulative effect of that means, by the time we’re in our fifties, we can be like 30 to 50% lower. Now testosterone obviously plays a role in like a new muscle tissue, our strength, our energy, our mood, our libido, and remember for men, a lot of their identity is wrapped up in their libido, strength, all these kind of things.
They can start to fail. This is going to lead for men to have a loss of confidence, and they might even overcompensate, otherwise wearing, you know, the ridiculous stereotype of the midlife crisis. You get a guy goes out and talks sports car, 20 year old girlfriend. Yeah, that’s, that’s what we see is classic overcompensating, but testosterone also plays a role in brain functioning, cognitive function.
So men can experience too this kind of like brain fog, and it’s combined all those things together. You know, you feel like your, your, your body and your mind is starting to let you down a bit. Of course, which is going to undermine your confidence, then have a knock on effect of your psychology. Well, I can, and, and looking back, I, I definitely have like seen issues of that, you know, in the, in the past and, and watching him.
So, but you talked about that there is a way to navigate both of these things with joy. So how can, how can men and women do that? So we actually operate on the six pillars that we’ve got six pillars of mid-life health and happiness. And I think those six pillars that it’s, and they’re always in sync, I keep saying that, you know, it’s, we’re holistic beings.
So everything impacts as we take the people through an educational process and takes people through our program. It really becomes clear how everything starts to interlink with each other, you know, from gut health to how we feeling obviously. To moving our bodies, our hormones. You know, to our sex life, our relationships, all sorts of things.
so those six pillars are obviously, uh, midlife movement, midlife nutrition, midlife hormones, midlife, midlife success mindset, mid-life emotional wellbeing. And then mental rings. A lot of us, again, don’t necessarily have the right network or the right support and the right accountability as we’re moving through this incredibly tumultuous time in our life, basically.
So, I mean, we could go into all of those pillars. It’s, it’s quite a lengthy conversation, but those, those six elements we would say really create that kind of self awareness, because a lot of the time when we’re in this period of our life, there’s so much going on. Like James said, we can get so confused and so stuck in the mud.
And we don’t understand that our belief systems, for example, are what mostly is holding us back, we always say it’s 80% mindset, 20% mechanics, you know, our self identity and our habits and all these things, are holding us back. We’re not even aware. So by this time, we’re just stuck in that loop, stuck in that loop constantly, but being able to be the observer, which we always say being the observer and actually start to unravel what some of these things are, you know, the inner critic, the imposter syndrome, the self-saboteur, all these things.
You can start actually having awareness of the perceived change. You can’t change what you’re not aware of. That’s half the battle and having that support. Yeah. But I also say, to add to that like, obviously there are differences in the approach for men and women, but with slightly different hormonal responses, but broadly speaking, you know, for both men, you need to stop leaving your body and move it in specific ways you want to, basically holding onto your muscle mass as long as you can.
Since it’s declining which means you’re losing strength. It means your metabolic rate is slowing down. So, you know, it’s crucial you resistance train, right? It could be body weight at home could be simply equipment. It could be the gym. You want to do some high intensity, high intensity interval training to keep your cardio up and help maintain your body fat levels.
Lower. You want to clean up your diet, eliminate sugars as you can from your diet. It is highly inflammatory.
Highly calorific. Clean it up. I just think that your diet, there’s more whole foods. Just be more conscious about what you’re eating. And of course that’s like what we call the external work. A lot of people can just go wrong, just focusing on that. But like Claire was alluding to there. They don’t change their belief system. So it was, all we want to do is look at actually, where do we want to go with this next chapter of our lives?
What’s the identity we want to move to, but what are the beliefs that are going to underpin that start to actually model at the live those as well? So, then you’re not trying to make, except like going on a diet and got a result. It’s like I’m making a lifestyle change. It’s actually my new way of being, I noticed that lots of people don’t really understand.
They understand stress, but coming to it from a mindset perspective. But again, they don’t know what’s really going on in this cocktail of hormones that’s going on, and actually starting to think oh, you know, stress is, it’s just this thing, but it’s become normalized, you know? This is base level hum of stress constantly.
By the time we’ve hit mid life, there’s actually really negatively impacting our health and happiness. So again, it’s about making sure that people understand some strategies around stress management and so I’m a stress management consultant. And then we’d bring a lot in a psychology, you know, NLP, all that sort of stuff to start rewiring the brain of it because.
You know, we’re, we’re massive geeks. You know, you mentioned that I was about science approach. We’re massive geeks. So making sure that we can back up what we’re doing based on science neuroscience as well. It was really important to us. I’m going to ask you because just in remembering my own experience with it, menopause.
It really wasn’t as bad as I, you know, her like it could have been. And I mean, yes, I had like night sweats, but I didn’t have, you know, these horrible, you know, really, you know, hot flashes too much. And it wasn’t, you know, horrible and, and okay. My mood, might’ve been a little wonky from time to time, you know?
Hey, I think it’s that it was that way anyway, but I think one of the things that helped me in, I think I was active. I think I was walking regularly. At least I was doing that, but I, I, I believe I was also meditating a lot at the time. Have you found that that is, is useful? Yes, hugely. I mean, for, for me, I.
I have definitely, I mean a 42, but I was definitely experiencing, I was having, nightsweats years ago with, I think, fluctuation of hormones, but, you know, I’ve definitely, I’ve definitely experienced a change in my mood. I, I had a restless heartbeat. I had tightness of chest., I had high and low anxiety levels that I hadn’t had to before actually, not since I’ve been, you know, probably the anti-depressants all those years ago and came off them really fast.
I’m a massive, which we both are, a massive fan of meditation, but I’m also a huge fan. Now, something that I’ve incorporated into my world is breath work. So like the Wim Hof method, particularly, that’s really helped but yes, huge fans of that, because again, it brings the central nervous system down and you’re able to create space and we know what fear, anxiety, overwhelm, depression, you know, we know physically what that does to our body.
It does cause inflammation in our body. It does cause inflammation in our gut. So of course your menopause system, menopause symptoms are going to be aggravated. If your body is stressed, if you haven’t got good gut health, but all these things that need today. Yeah. What would you say to, someone that maybe is like maybe the first thing that, that they need to start, to really address, you know, to start helping, let’s say they’re, they’re maybe just starting to, to, you know, move into this change.
So what would be the first thing that they should look at? Obviously there’s, there’s, there’s lots of things you should, or, you know, if you’re not already stop leaving your body, you know, the human body’s an amazing thing, but it really is, you know, use it or lose it and thankfully to, to modern medicine and science, we were living on.
But it’s about the quality of life as well. You know, what you don’t want to be is that, you know, that, that old person stuck in a chair and you can’t get out. So it’s about, you know, using those muscles, key things there and preserving your muscle mass, keeping your metabolic rates up. So get out and start moving.
And it just be the smaller steps. Now, if you’re not used to it just start going for short walks, just gradually increase it over time stuff like that. But in tandem with it, you’ve got to do the nutrition side as well. And most of us have through no fault, really bad dietary habits. You know, we’re not, we’re not taught this stuff in school.
The food industry pushes a load of really bad stuff at us. Start educating yourself about food, particularly around labeling on sewage. And it’s the biggest culprit by far. I think, you know, across the U S and Western Europe is sugar in food and thin sugar in particular. Manufacturers, push it in because it’s really cheap.
It’s hyper addictive. Once you start eating it, you want more of it. It’s a win for them. You buy more of their product, but it’s not any high calorie thing, which I don’t when I, the affects of like carrying too much weight, but it’s also finding inflammatory to the system. And in fact, studies have shown that just with menopausal women, reducing their sugar intake, actually reduce the symptoms is reducing the inflammation, but he’s like, let’s say clean up your diet and start moving your body.
And do some mindset work as well and even that’s like a small gratitude practice first thing in the morning, what am I grateful for from yesterday? What would be my intention for today? It’s that simple, that basic will start and make some difference at the time. Yeah. But just the sugar thing, you know, I’ve seen a lot in like James saying about menopausal women and reducing the sugar.
It’s not just, it’s not just the cakes. Again we need to understand it’s carbohydrates as well. It says carbohydrates of which sugars. So high glycemic index. Carbohydrates high GI carb. You want to be reducing those as well, because that again, it’s sugar. So I get, most people think, oh, it’s just my alcohol or it’s just my cakes I’m eating.
It’s actually not it’s carbohydrates as well. And we’re not saying cut them, eliminate them altogether. We’re not catering or anything like that. I was thinking balance and moderation, but understanding when to eat them and the right types is really important. Yeah, absolutely. And, and I actually just saw somebody posted a picture on Facebook yesterday, as a matter of fact, where they were comparing, like name brand spaghetti sauces and the amount of sugar that are in some of these commercial brand spaghetti sauce, you know, it’s like, I remember when my mom made spaghetti sauce, she would add like maybe, you know, a tablespoon or something, you know, but they’re putting in like about a quarter of a cup.
I think it’s crazy. Okay. I want you to eight. I’ve already interested players research for you. So, south America has this issue as well, researched and presale. We’re looking like anxiety that should rank foods. This is like a, such a paradoxical finding of their study. They found having a bag of sugar in the kitchen.
Was the positive indicator for health, because it meant that family was making their sources and their foods from scratch, adding them with sugar. Where there was no sugar bag of sugar in the kitchen, they were buying these sauces, which again, multiples amounts of sugar. And as you would put in yourself, so really.
Interesting. Wow. Tell me a little bit about this, this program that you have. So, if you know, how, if someone wanted to find out about that, what, what is involved in, in your, your midlife method program? It’s an eight week program. And then as I lead you through, it’s got the six pillars. So we’re touching on mind-body itself.
And you know, it’s, it’s for anyone looking to make a change in their lives. It’s not just about the physicality side. It’s not just about the nutrition side. It’s actually about whole being so. That’s really, really important people come out of it saying that their relationship with food has improved.
And then obviously they, they feel more comfortable in their own skin. Cause again, we always say, you know, health isn’t a dress size, it’s about how comfortable you feel when you’re wearing yourself, but they come out of it thinking, you know, I’m more grateful, I’m more positive my relationships better.
So all these, all these things. So it’s really an inside out job, but it’s on those six pillars, which I’ll just confirm again, it’s a midlife movement, midlife nutrition, midlife hormones, mid-life success mindset, mid-life emotional wellbeing and mid-life mentorship as well. So it’s the whole, it’s the whole package basically.
And it’s it’s for men and women, and we’ve had everyone from, you know, the forties all the way up into their late sixties, even into the early seventies, actually, strangely enough. So. It’s a beautiful thing. And we’re very grateful that we get to do it. I think it’s really important to say when we say design things, we know midlife is it’s really too earlier.
I really like chill time, time, fall. So the best way we can get the results. So it’s delivered basically experienced the workouts are designed. They bespoke. We begin on board, everyone with their own workout programs. I’ll say midlife people have different issues, complications, but they’re designed to be sure that effective.
So you’re not spending hours in the gym yet on treadmills. None of that stuff. They’re short workouts. And then all the coaching element. It’s like nutritional coaching, the habits, the beliefs, it just drips out, it actually becomes instinctive. If you’re not having to like go, oh, I’ve got to sit down and do two hours work on it tonight. It just flows. and your pockets, which is a good or bad thing sometimes.
Well, I’m, I can tell that you two compliment each other very well. So I’m sure they’re getting the boast the best of both worlds, uh, by having the two of you on there. Is there anything else that I should have asked you about, you know, whether. You know, menopause in particular or just, you know, getting through this midlife and being able to have a wonderful, you know, to grow old wonderfully and to not as my, you know, I remember my father-in-law always would say, oh, don’t get old Gloria.
You don’t want to get old. I’m like, yes, I do. I want to live a long time. I want to be over a hundred. So is there anything else that you’d want to share? I would say. Don’t be afraid to go outside your comfort zone. You know, we get stuck in our ruts with all, like you were saying, a lot of things behind us, and it becomes very, very difficult to want to take a risk.
And when we say risk, we mean calculated risk and not crazy risk. Cause again, we bought things in our life that we need to take care of, but don’t, don’t be afraid to step outside your comfort zone because that’s the way the duties of life or that’s where, you know, we are expansive beings. We are designed as human beings to experience the truth of who we are, you know, we’re designed to get that feeling and that sense of joy.
And that only happens when we stop and get outside of our comfort zone. I caught this. I didn’t get, get more hints. Oh that’s the right path. Oh yeah, that’s the right path. And otherwise we just end up being pathetic and bored and we lose the zest for life. So, so that’s, that’s one of the things we actually take people through a whole thing about taking risks and going outside your comfort zone.
And most people get the fear, but actually that’s a signpost that you were about to expand into a newer version and most a better version of yourself is when you feel that big, I go, okay, I know there’s a little devil on my shoulder saying, oh no, don’t do that. You’ll make a fool of yourself on all of those things.
But actually just saying no, I’m here. There’s absolutely no reason I can’t do this. I have expected you to come in and say all those sorts of things, but I know you’re there because actually it shows I’m moving in the right direction, I’m going to, I’m going to expand and grow and going to feel more myself.
That’s what I would say. Yeah, I would kind of agree with the word completely that there’s a saying I’m going to paraphrase. It’s like, you know, you’re not too old to dance. You got old cause you stopped dancing. You know, stay curious and remember that life is about having fun. And this again is backed up by neuroscience.
You know, our brains, the aging of our brains is affected you that our brains are shrinking as we grow. One of the things that can offset that is learning new skills and socializing. So we want to keep our minds active high focus high interest. Absolutely. Yeah. I love that. And I think if we continue to do more of that, we can live to be, you know, live more fully and to be healthier and, and to enjoy life because that’s why we’re here.
I mean, we only get one life that we know of for now. You know, we can debate that. We can talk about reincarnation some other time, but for now this is our life right now. And so let’s make the most of it. That’s, that’s the way. We always say, it’s not a dress rehearsal. No one’s going to be less put aside what people really think about you stop, you know, stop letting everyone overstate your boundaries, go out there.
And actually the only thing that really matters, it’s not going to be the things that when it you’re at the end of the life, it’s how much you’ve enjoyed it. The legacy you’re leaving, like who you’ve become. It’s not what you’ve got is who you become along the journey of life. So it’s not a dress rehearsal.
Absolutely. Yep. I love it. If someone listening to you today wants to be able to, you know, find out more information. Maybe they want to, you know, see about taking your course or just to learn more about you. What’s the best place for people to contact you? So we have our website, which is all one word, the midlife mentors.com.
You can drop an email, their email@example.com. I’m on Facebook. We’re slash the midlife mentors. On Instagram, we’re slash midlifementors.
She needs to buy and you can tell he does Instagram less. It’s at midlifementors. It’s all good. It’s all good. Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your evening. I guess I think right? In Spain and, for being with us on the show today, I really appreciate you sharing this information because we have not had this subject on yet.
So I’m glad that you, you, you were the first ones to talk about it and, and I know people will benefit a lot from what you shared today. So thank you. Oh, and thank you for having us on.
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