Imagine discovering that the key to healing unresolved emotional wounds lies in your astrological chart. Lisa Tahir, licensed therapist and author of “The Chiron Effect,” reveals how understanding the placement of the planetary body Chiron can illuminate the root causes of self-sabotaging patterns like low self-worth, people-pleasing tendencies and feelings of unworthiness.
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Show Notes | Transcript“We all wrote our astrological charts. We wrote that before we came into our earthly existence. It’s with free will and our consciousness that we can change and choose any outcomes and potentials for yourself. And that’s what Chiron can reveal to you.” – Lisa Tahir
Have you ever felt like something deep within is holding you back from fully embodying the abundance, love, and success you desire? If so, this insightful conversation with Lisa Tahir could be the breakthrough you’ve been seeking. Drawing from her two decades of clinical experience and her pioneering work in Psychoastrology, Lisa demystifies the astrological placement of Chiron, known as the “wounded healer.” With practical insights and examples, such as the challenges faced by those with Chiron in Pisces, Lisa offers a roadmap to self-care and emotional healing tailored to individual needs.
In this compelling interview, you’ll gain:
- Profound insights into the meaning of your Chiron sign and how it pinpoints areas requiring deeper self-love and healing
- Powerful self-forgiveness practices to release layers of self-criticism and embrace radical self-acceptance
- Techniques for cultivating self-empathy when painful memories resurface, allowing you to provide the compassion you may have lacked
- Eye-opening examples of how unresolved core wounds can manifest, from struggles with self-care to strained relationships
- Thought-provoking perspectives on free will, authoring your life experiences, and consciously choosing different outcomes
Whether you’re well-versed in astrology or a newcomer to this ancient wisdom, prepare to realize your innate worthiness and address the core wounds that have been holding you back. Let this interview be your guide towards personal empowerment and profound healing.
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TRANSCRIPT
Namaste. Do you feel like unresolved pain and emotional wounds are actually hindering your personal growth and business success? Well, our guest has a unique perspective on how to heal these core wounds that are keeping you from achieving your true potential. But before I bring her on, I just want to welcome those of you who may be new to live. Love. Engage. I am Gloria Grace, and I help female entrepreneurs attract more clients with calm, clarity and confidence by releasing negative thought patterns like self doubt and poor self worth. And I am looking forward to this conversation with our guest today. Her name is Lisa Tahir, and she’s a licensed therapist, the founder of Psychoastrology, and the author of the Chiron Effect, healing our core wounds through astrology, empathy, and self forgiveness. So I’m looking forward to doing this. So without further ado, let me bring her up here to officially welcome you, Lisa, to live love. Engage.
Hi, Gloria Grace. Thank you so much for having me on today. I am delighted to be here.
Well, I’m really intrigued. I’ve been doing a lot of, well, I would say, especially this year, really kind of delving into core wounds, dealing emotional blockages, ancestral healing and things like this. And I even had a session with an astrologer earlier this year where she did mention Chiron and a little bit. But for those of you out there, especially who are watching and listening, who maybe are not familiar, maybe you’re not familiar with astrology, or maybe you are, but maybe you’ve never heard of Chiron before. I thought we could start there with you explaining a little bit about what is Chiron and what does that have to do with our core wounds.
Sure, Gloria Grace, I would love to. And I come to this work as a licensed psychotherapist for over 25 years. For me, when I discovered this placement in our astrological charts, Chiron, which in astronomy is designated as both a minor planet and as a comet, and it orbits an elliptical orbit between the planets of Saturn and Uranus. It was discovered in the seventies by an astronomer named Charles Cowell, and he noted that on elliptical orbit, it was the first heavenly body in its class noted in astronomy to have that type of orbit. Therefore, it was named Chiron, after the Greek centaur in mythology, who is the founder of the healing arts of medicine, of therapy. And we all encounter Chiron and this Greek kind of nomenclature. When you go to the doctor and you see the staff of medicine with the two snakes intertwining. Chiron gave that staff of medicine to Asclepius, whom he tutored. So I found that to be just really interesting. Yet I was curious when I meditated, Chiron just started coming up as I was asking the question, how do I help? My clients who are really successful predominantly are living wonderful lives, though they might stumble a bit emotionally with feeling not good enough or unworthy of the love that they deeply desire and are able to give even to others. Yet it seems like there’s a bit of a disconnection somewhere in receiving all that they really want, the abundance, the love, the feeling of value and worth. So why I believe it’s important for you to know your Chiron placement is that this placement in your astrological birth chart, Chiron will be in one of the signs. It will be in Pisces, Gemini, cancer, Aquarius. And it’s typically different than your sun sign that you know off the top of your head. Most likely when someone asks what your sign is. Knowing your Chiron sign helps you understand this one area on a spectrum. On one end is vulnerability. This might be an ouch, like just an ouch for others of you who have encountered deeper traumas, sexual abuse, domestic violence, profound neglect, maybe being in different foster homes, for example, and all that comes with that. That’s a deeper core wounding within yourself and knowing displacement reveals where you need to really support yourself in your affirmations, in your healing work. When you start to feel it dip in your mood, I, you can source it back to this area that you can strengthen yourself in. How does that feel to you, Gloria Grace, as I share it?
Well, it’s. It is so interesting. And I do, like I said, I’ve done a little bit of research in it and checking. I know that you’ve got some great resources on your own website of how you can kind of delve into this. And I know when I was looking at mine, mine is in the sign of Pisces, which is interesting because it’s like both my mother and my grandmother are Pisces, and that is their regular sign. And I know there’s a lot of stuff, let’s say, in my family and with how just the generations have been, it’s really interesting. But I want to talk a little bit more, or have you explain now a little bit more of then. So if we understand this a little bit and you get to figure out where Chiron is in your house, but how then does that relate to being able to then address these wounds and be able to heal it?
So if I could just take Chiron and Pisces that year. Your placement is as an example because I think it makes it more real. What dealing with something personal. So Chiron, in the sign of Pisces, speaks to this vulnerability or wounding. If it’s a deeper wound for you and your struggle for self-care, and that is because you tend to really love to help others, it’s very authentic, it’s very genuine that you really thrive at seeing where people need to be supported and going there. Yet two things tend to happen. One is that you deplete yourself and neglect put on the back burner what might be better and a better interest for yourself, for example, be it the time you spend helping others or the lengths that you go to do that, and you become depleted. And you may even develop a resentment in the back of your mind that’s hard to acknowledge because, again, you really love being helpful. It’s authentic. But then when you become depleted, it’s like, oh, what about me? And you might feel even underappreciated by others. And that can happen because often you see this need that somebody might not have even asked explicit help with, and you start to fill in those places and spaces, and somebody might even be like, whoa. Like, kind of not welcome what you’re doing. And for you, it’s so natural. And you feel underappreciated and might even feel angry, like, wait, I’m doing this for you. And it turns out the person never asked you to or you didn’t inquire, may I do this for you so it can get sticky really fast?
Yeah.
And has that been true? I see you nodding your head.
Oh, definitely. I would say in the past, for sure. And I’ve gotten better at because that is one of the things that I’ve definitely grew up becoming this people pleaser and wanting to take care of people, for sure, because I wound up taking care of my mom a lot of the times because she had a lot of health problems when I was a kid growing up. And so that I do want to help others and. And one thing I struggled with was actually then learning to ask for help for myself.
Yes.
So I have had to learn how to do that and. And not just jump in. And so I’ve gotten much better at it. And, you know, and it’s. It’s. It’s all degrees and we all have to continue to work on. Work on these things. But it’s. Yeah, it’s. It’s very interesting how you’re talking about that.
And I think that you doing your podcast is a beautiful way to offer to others your wisdom. What really lights you up in a way that people are receptive. They’re coming to you for it. So I think it’s a real match for you to be seen, to be heard, to be valued, and the things that you truly care about, but it doesn’t deplete you. I sense that this really recharges you. So I think you’ve naturally healed this Chiron placement, which so many people do, that are in the. In the healing professions that are doing shows like yours, wanting to connect with others, it, you know, subconsciously starts to heal those places where you weren’t seen and heard in the way that you desired and felt depleted. So good job. Excellent job. And also to share, yes. That you’re in good company with this Chiron in Pisces. Mother Teresa had her Chiron in the sign of Pisces. Now we see how she was able to beautifully serve the needs of others at such a high level while also caring for herself. And the visual I want to give you, it’s in my book, is for Chiron and Pisces individuals. When you get in the airplane and the flight attendant says, put on your oxygen mask first, even before your own children’s. That’s the metaphor for Chiron and Pisces. You want to put your oxygen mask on first. You want to fill yourself and give for more of that overflow rather than depletion, and really feel into that in your own body, you know it. And even share with others who are more than willing to actually help you refill your love tank, for example, that, hey, I’m starting to feel overwhelmed. I’m going to need to step back. That you’ll start to find others really want you to do that.
Oh, I actually did that last week.
Okay.
Because I was. I was on a phone call with someone, and we’re working on a new project, and she was coming up with all these wonderful ideas. And I started just feeling really overwhelmed that I had to say, timeout. This is too much. We need to dial it back. It’s too much for me right now. And she was like, oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you for telling me. So, yeah, so, excellent, Gloria Grace.
And, you know, the other thing I’d love to share, because I feel like some of you out there might be wondering this. It’s certainly a question that I had before I started to really pursue and dive into the meaning of astrology and how it can aid us in understanding ourselves and others. The kind of roadblock that I used to have was the false belief I had that astrology is trying to tell me who I am or who others are. What about free will? And I really was in that struggle until I realized I had this huge download that we all wrote our astrological charts. We wrote that before we came into our earthly existence. And though we might not remember that, since we are the author and the architect of our lives, of our birth charts, it’s with free will and our consciousness that we can change and choose any outcomes and potentials for ourself. We just might have to learn those skills. And that’s what Chiron can reveal to you, is where you maybe need some more skills in your emotional health and well-being, in your mental health. Chiron and Virgo speaks to physical health and really needing to have practices to address your physical health and not neglect it anymore. And so it’s really beautiful. Once I had that realization that nothing’s being told to me, I chose these things and I can change them. I can grow and learn who I need to become to inhabit the places and spaces that I most deeply desire to encounter. How does that sit with you?
Oh, I think that makes perfect sense because, yeah, I do believe also that we chose, I even feel that we chose our parents specifically, and we chose all of that because there were things that we wanted to learn when we got here. And so to have, you know, be able to have a certain type of environment, that’s the word I’m looking for. To have a different, you know, certain environment to grow up in and to then be able to, you know, have those lessons and. And then to be able to then learn from them, but. But also be able to make different choices and, yeah, all makes sense. But I want to come back to something else because we talked a lot about astrology here. But in the name of your book, you also talk about empathy and self-forgiveness. So how does that work in here?
Empathy, self-empathy and self-forgiveness are the keys to our healing. At the deepest level is what I discovered. And I think, especially as women, we tend to harbor layer upon layer of criticisms about ourselves, to ourselves and our own self talk, thinking it’s going to make us better or show up differently in the future. And it just makes us feel sad and unworthy and really stressed out and overwhelmed. And so in my book, I invite you into a self-forgiveness process where you take some time, maybe 1520 minutes a day, light a candle, open my book, have a journal. And I walk you through remembering some of the times in your upbringing, both where you felt deeply loved and where you didn’t feel loved and the meaning you made about yourself, about your worthiness, that maybe I’m not worth protecting, maybe I’m not worth standing up for. Maybe I’m not that important. And it’s about undoing those, releasing those beliefs and replacing them with new beliefs that I actually am worthy and valuable. And therefore, what does this new belief invite me to create in my life? Do I need to maybe do a little less and have some more pleasure in my life? Or might I need to do something more? And it’s different for all of us, how we make those little shifts in our behaviors and our thoughts and in our belief system. And so it’s really through. I’m just so sorry you went through. That is a self-empathy technique that I teach my clients. When a memory comes up that’s really painful, it might be, in your adult life, a relationship that ended abruptly, and it might be, in part, something you said or did and you’re feeling badly about it, or maybe the other person really didn’t show up and never took responsibility. Just really going to that memory and closing your eyes, placing a hand over your heart and saying, I’m just so sorry you went through that to yourself. And allow any feelings to come up can be a way to address and give yourself what wasn’t given in that moment. And to go gentle, to go easy with yourself, with some empathy, like understanding why you might have said or did that or didn’t say or do something else, and you start to really connect with more of what changes will be helpful in the future. Life will give you a thousand chances or more to show up differently. So don’t feel like you missed the boat. There’s another boat, as Abraham Hicks says, who I love to study, you know, there’s another boat. There’s another chance. It’s not lost. There’s more opportunity. You’re so loved. Life is really here to support us and to start reaching and feeling for that in your own life.
Yeah, absolutely. And I love Abraham as well, so such wise counsel, because I think we sometimes get stuck in certain thought patterns or we get stuck in lots of different ways, but to always remember that at any moment, we can start over. In fact, I had a wonderful counselor that I was working with after my sister had passed, and she would talk about that you could always start over from wherever you are. Just say okay, the past is over. Let’s just start from here and go on. And that’s so important to know. So many of you listening out there are thinking about this and just know that you get to decide how you want to live your life in any moment. And if you want to have a better life for yourself, you know, do start doing the practices, you know, that Lisa is talking about and then, and then know you can have that. You know, one thing I’ve, I’ve found, and I wonder what you, if you’ve ever done this or if you talk about this at all with your clients is, is actually creating new memories, you know, taking like something that, that happened in the past and just creating a new story around it.
That’s beautiful. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And to visualize that, it’s so healing and important to, I’ll ask my clients when they share something that happened and release the emotions associated with that. I love to ask, hey, how would you like that to have gone? When, if you had this to do over, what would it look like? And it’s important you might not know it first, but to spend some time there, because once you can identify what you wish would have happened, what you intend to happen, it really pre paves and sets that up for the next time you’re in a similar experience place position that you have that memory of how you’d like it to go. And you’re responsible for your portion of that. Others are responsible for theirs. So it helps you show up as you really want to show up versus a version of yourself that you couldn’t show up in the way you now know. So really allowing those possibilities for yourself and Gloria Grace, going back to what you were sharing a few moments ago about being able to start over, start fresh, I think really what’s important in that as well is making peace with where you are right now. And that, for me, is starting to become a daily practice. I want to be at peace with where I am today and not be in the struggle or angst about where I thought I’d be or should be or see others in my similar field being. And it’s like, no, no, no. That noise really takes us out of our joy. Like, I want to make peace with where I am right now in my life. And even as you say that, it can feel really soothing and it opens up possibilities to come to your mind, to come to your imagination. You might have an impulse, ooh, like, let me do that today. And that’s how you really start to live, inspired and connected to a more flow state. You’re really wanting to be at peace with where your life is right now.
Wow. Thank you for sharing that. That is beautiful.
You’re welcome. Yeah, it’s a new daily practice for me, truly, like this week, you know, like, I really wanna. I really wanna. I really want to be happy with where I am and enjoy and even reflect on some of the things you’ve done to get where you are. And some of the times in the past you did so well and really affirm yourself more. There’s so much there to mine. Like gold in your own life, to give yourself some praise and acknowledgement and affirmation for.
Absolutely. Because we are usually, I think especially people who really are, you know, kind-hearted and not necessarily a narcissist. Let’s say we’re quick to be able to praise our friends or our family and really reinforce them, but doing that same to ourselves, sometimes we’re. I’m sure there’s lots of people out there who are great at it, but I think there’s also other others out there who may be. Who have a habit of saying not so nice things about ourselves. So to be able to switch that and to really consciously practice self-forgiveness that you’re talking about, to have, you know, to be. Have empathy for yourself and. Yeah, you know, let’s. Let’s have. Let’s start today. And I’m okay where I am right now. Let’s see where I can go from here.
Yes.
I want to ask you, what is, um. What’s a commonly held belief about, maybe about astrology or maybe even about core wounds that you passionately disagree with?
I disagree that this has to be a dreadful experience, coming to therapy, coming to work with someone on things that have been painful for you. A lot of people put off therapy because they fear or believe, like, I don’t want to go there. It was. It was so hard living through. Like, I don’t want to talk about this. And it feels. It has so much of a bigger energy than it needs to with that kind of perspective. Versus to come to therapist, find a therapist, a healing professional that you feel like is really listening to you, that you feel seen by. And to go through the process, ideally, really slowly, to unpack things so that you can have the bandwidth to be in your life and do your work and be in your relationships. And if you’re a parent, to be able to parent, if you’re in a romantic relationship, to be a partner, that it doesn’t have to be so deep that you’re overwhelmed and have to kind of full stop your life. And by doing this work gradually and peacefully and lovingly, you start to have more of yourself available, more positive emotion in your life, more just peace and happiness. So, you know, I disagree that this has to be really hard, so to speak, that it’s, it’s really about loving yourself more deeply and taking the time out for you. And I believe that we all deserve that. And to work with somebody can be so awesome, such a beautiful experience, different than the friends you have or the partner you have. It’s a space just for you where you don’t have to ask back, like, well, how are you? And go deeply into, you know, like how I’m doing or whatever. And that can just be really refreshing to have a space for yourself.
Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that. And I want to ask you, if someone listening to this is, you know, thinking about this, what would, how would they go about trying to find someone to work with? What do you recommend people do? How do you recommend that people make that start? Because it can seem kind of overwhelming to try to find someone. Of course, they can contact you and we’ll talk about that later.
But of course, I think it’s the cost that usually comes up in someone’s mind first. Like, how do I pay for this? So I think if you, if you have healthcare insurance that offers a mental health benefit, I would reach out and get a list of providers and call or email the providers or go on psychologytoday.com where you can read a little blurb about us and reach out and get a vibe for how you feel with someone or if there’s somebody you watch, say, on social media that you really like what they offer, you could always reach out if they do individual sessions or not. And I think there have been times where an author that I love has become a mentor from afar. Like, I’ll really do a deep dive into their books. Marianne Williamson is one of those authors and teachers that I’ve read so many of her books and she has a lot of material out on YouTube, as does Louise Hay, that you can, you know, kind of work with someone and have them mentor you without that direct one to one relationship. But you can really embrace their work and what they offer you, and that might lead you to a person. In fact, as you start to do that work, reading and such, listening to podcasts on healing life wants to lead you to that individual in person. So I would trust the process and begin anywhere you feel really lit up to do that.
I love that. And I believe you’re right is that once you start doing this, once you start taking care of yourself in that way and start opening yourself up to, you know, listening to teachers, I love that. I think that’s great. Even just starting with doing a lot of book reading because I know. I think the first book I ever read that’s sort of in this type of spiritual vein was one by Eckhart Tolle, the power of now. And that one, I think, really started me thinking along a different line.
Absolutely.
And so that’s what. And then the point I wanted to make is that then the universe I find will start to help you and will and will leave you clues, and we’ll point you. You’ll meet somebody, maybe, who will then mention something else, and then that will trigger something. So just be open to possibilities and just, yeah, start where you are. If it’s a baby step, you need to take. Take a baby step and just, you know, go onto YouTube or something first, you know, or check out more podcasts like this one and, you know, like yours. I know you’re also a podcaster as well, which I don’t think I mentioned in your intro. Talk about that a little bit real quick. I’ll give you. Give you a minute. What is your podcast like?
And also, one more thing is in the back of my book, I give a resource section where I recommend therapists, astrologers. Like, there’s a host of information about others that I’ve really learned from and appreciated and books that have really been meaningful to me, I source from as well. So that’s all in the back of my book for you to find someone. And my podcast is called All Things therapy. I have 398 episodes, eight years. And I love talking to you about mental and emotional health and well-being and just connecting. And thank you for mentioning that, Gloria Grace.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think it’s so important for us to talk about mental health. In the past, it hasn’t been brought up as much, and I feel it’s really, really important. I mean, I’ve got, you know, in my family history, you know, my mom struggled with depression. You know, my dad was an alcoholic and, you know, lots, lots of lovely things. But too often we kept all these things swept under a rug and we were hidden. And so I. I want to be able to bring it out more into the open and let people know that you don’t have to struggle, you don’t have to suffer. There is help out there and take advantage of it.
Yes.
Yeah. I like asking my guests this question, what are you curious about right now?
That’s a really beautiful question, and I’ll answer authentically. I’m really curious about learning more about love, about romantic love in my life, about partnership being something that would enhance my life rather than detract from it. When we grow up in a home where there’s not a model for what healthy love looks like, it can cause some misconceptions, and that was certainly the case for me. So I’m really interested to learn and embrace and experience that. Romantic love can be a beautiful gift in my life that allows me to do what I love without having to give up anything. I think I had that association with it, and I really want to have the experience of it being supportive mutually and we both get to be ourselves fully and just. I’m curious about that, how that can be for me.
All right, well, you’ve put it out there in the universe now, and so let’s see. The answers will come and perhaps you will find. Find someone like that. So. Well, I love it. Is there anything else I should have asked you about that I didn’t in relationship to healing our core wants?
No. I feel like this was really comprehensive. I’m curious what you’re curious about, if you don’t, you don’t mind sharing? That’s really a good question.
She flipped it the tables on me. Oh, no. Let’s see. Well, you know what? I am curious. Oh, gosh. I’m curious about so many things. I’m curious about, one of the things I’m curious about is learning more about how the brain works. I’m very fascinated about that. I’m curious about how spirituality and science seem to be coming together more and becoming more accepted. I think even too in that. So, yeah, so that’s some of the things I’m curious about. Curious about the future and what the future will bring for us, especially, especially this year in the United States. Election year. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, oh, I know one last question I need to ask you is for those of our listeners who are listening on podcast platforms, how can and if they want to get in touch with you, where’s the best place for them to be able to do that?
I would love for you to reach out. You can email me directly. Lisa at nola therapy dot com. nolatherapy.com is my website and it stands for New Orleans Los Angeles therapy, the two places that I live, so it’s easy to remember. And that’s also my Instagram nolatherapy. You can message me there as well. And for any of you that mentioned Gloria Grace and your show live love engage podcast, I’d love to give you half off a first time session. So instead of $190 it would be $95 to do a phone or Zoom for a first time new client. I would love to offer that so you can get a vibe and sense of what this work is like and it makes it more easy to afford as well. I’d love to do that.
Oh well, thank you so much for your generosity and I appreciate that. And I will have all of that information in the show notes for those of you especially who are listening. And so you’ll be able to get all of that out. Go to liveloveengagepodcast.com and you’ll be able to get be able to read all about how to contact Lisa so thank you again so much for being with us. I really appreciate you spending some time in your morning today, since I know you are out in Los Angeles right now. So I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me, Gloria Grace this has been wonderful and I do.
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