Did you know there is a “stress sweet spot” for achieving peak performance in your business? That’s one of the findings Dr. Stephen Sideroff, an internationally renowned psychologist and consultant, shares with me in this enlightening episode. We explore his groundbreaking approach to resilience, peak performance, and transformational psychology. This conversation is perfect for anyone feeling overwhelmed or struggling to achieve that elusive work-life balance while maintaining vital energy.
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Show Notes | Transcript“There’s always a best way to move forward. There’s always a best way to handle what you’re engaged in.” – Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Dr. Sideroff shares invaluable insights from his new book, “The Nine Pillars of Resilience: The Proven Path to Master Stress, Slow Aging, and Increase Vitality.” Together, we uncover practical tools that blend science with soul, helping you navigate the challenges of entrepreneurship while preserving your well-being.
Discover how to:
- Reframe your understanding of resilience and use it as a tool for personal growth
- Identify your “stress sweet spot” to maximize health and performance
- Cultivate a growth mindset to break free from unproductive habits and patterns
Key insights include:
- Why stress isn’t always bad and how it can be a useful tool when managed correctly
- The importance of emotional balance and mastery in navigating challenging situations
- How to develop a healthy internal voice that supports and nurtures you
- The role of neuroplasticity in breaking old habits and creating positive change
Dr. Sideroff also challenges common misconceptions about stress management and offers a fresh perspective on creating a work-life balance that honors both our professional ambitions and personal well-being.
Whether you’re a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting your business journey, this conversation offers practical strategies to help you thrive without sacrificing your health. Tune in to start your path towards mastering stress, slowing aging, and increasing your vital energy!
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Gloria Grace Rand
Namaste. Is building your business kind of adding too many gray hairs to your head maybe because you’re not achieving that elusive work life balance that you would love to be able to have? Well, if that is the case, today’s episode is for you because my guest is going to be diving deep into his game changing approach to mastering stress and maintaining your vital energy while growing your business. And I promise you’re going to come away with from our interview with some practical tools that blend science with soul. But first, I do want to welcome you if this is your first time to Live Love Engage. I am Gloria Grace. I am the founder of Align to Shine Academy and I empower women over 50 to really love themselves and the life they’re living also, which is so important and which is why today’s episode I think is going to help, help you to do that if you are in that category. So just in just a moment, I’m going to bring on Dr. Steven Sideroff, who is an internationally renowned psychologist and consultant who has developed a groundbreaking approach to resilience, peak performance and transformational psychology. And he has a new book out this year that’s called the Nine Pillars of Resilience, the Proven Path to Master Stress, Slow Aging, and Increase Vitality, which I think is something that we all really would like to do. So without further ado, I’m going to bring him up here and we’re going to jump right into this conversation. So I want to welcome you, Dr. Stephen, to live Love Engage.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Thank you very much, Gloria. It’s a pleasure to be here and in conversation with you.
Gloria Grace Rand
Well, I am really looking forward to this. You had, you recently had, as we were recording this, had published an article in Psychology Today about, about your book. And, and it was very interesting. And, and I know one of the things you mentioned in there and was one of the other reasons why we connected. I, I love the concept that you have. You’ve got like a new definition of resilience. It’s something that I think people wouldn’t necessarily think would be a definition. So I was wondering if you can share. I’m going to let you tell us what that is. And what do you mean by that?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Yeah, well, certainly. So most people think about resilience as the ability to bounce back. And while that has some validity, my new definition is resilience as the ability to bounce forward. And why I make that distinction is that after you’re going through a stress, a challenge in life, you don’t want to go back to where you started from even though recovery is an important aspect of that, you want to learn the lesson of that experience. You want to find how you can break away from lessons of childhood and learn new ways of handling the stresses that you’re dealing with. And so every time we engage in a stress and we are successful, what’s the lesson to be learned from that experience so that you bounce forward? And then the next time you engage in any stressful behavior, you have the advantage of that lesson, of that learning, and new ways of doing how you engage with the stresses. And I refer to this also as a growth mindset where we’re always looking to benefit from experience.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. And it makes a lot more sense to. To refer to it that way. We’re getting a little strange feedback there. Oh, well. But anyway, yeah, I mean, I like that idea of bouncing forward because. Yeah, you do. I think that is part of what helps you to be able to cultivate resilience is you do have to learn. You learn some. Take the time to learn some lessons about what happened so that you can, you know, use that, apply that the next time. You know, I know that you had. And again, when we were recording this, you live in Southern California, and so you were dealing a lot with the threat of the horrific wildfires that were going on. And that’s part of what your article was about, was how you have been applying the pillars you wrote about in your book. And I thought maybe, maybe one thing, because I know there’s nine pillars, and we don’t necessarily have to go into all of them right now, but if you had to pick, you know, maybe one or two, that would be important for someone to consider. What, maybe even to start with, if. When they’re trying to build resilience, which. Which ones would you use would you talk about?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, if we take a look at my own experience during this really disaster where I was evacuated and couldn’t get back to my home, where the fire was right in the line, my house and community was right in the line of fire. The first step for me is my fifth pillar, which is mental balance and mastery. And so the first thing is to realize, no matter what your circumstance there, there’s always a best way to move forward. There’s always a best way to handle what you’re engaged in. And this is so important to recognize because much of the time, and, you know, in the situation that I’ve been in, it’s so easy to go to catastrophic expectations. The worst outcome, my. My house will burn down. And for each person out there in all the situations we encounter, there’s always a negative way that we can go into it. We can start by saying, oh, this is going to be difficult. Or we can start by saying, I don’t know if I’ll be able to do it. So that already takes you in the negative direction. That turns out to make a situation more difficult than it has to be. When we start out by saying, there, there is a best way, let me find it now. I’m starting out by heading in the right direction. I’m looking at possibilities for. For achieving my goals. I’m looking immediately for how I could take the first steps forward. So that’s the first. My first tool and recommendation is that positive mindset. That mindset of there is a best way. Let me find it. Second has to do with our emotions. So you can imagine under this circumstance, my amount, my emotions were going all over the place. When the wind was going in the wrong direction, I’d be, you know, very upset. When the wind turned direction and was heading away, oh, what a relief. And it was like a roller coaster. And so my sixth pillar is emotional balance and mastery. And what I did in that situation and I encourage people to do is stay current with your emotions. Now, what do I mean by staying current? It means if an emotion comes up, don’t push it down, don’t distract from it, don’t ignore it, deal with it. Let yourself feel the feelings. There’s no right or wrong with feelings. We don’t go, well, I shouldn’t feel that. No, if it comes up, if you’re feeling those feelings, allow yourself to feel them, find a way to express them. But then you want to make sure you let go of them so that you’re not carrying excess baggage around with you. You know, so much of the time we have feelings from situations with other people where we’re frustrated, angry, and sometimes we tend to just ignore those feelings because maybe we don’t feel we can tell that other person how we’re feeling. We’re afraid that they will make judgments, that we’re afraid they’ll reject us, be even more angry than we are. But it’s important to realize that if you’re carrying a feeling, you have that responsibility to deal with that. And it hasn’t. Doesn’t have to be related to the other person because the other person may not care, may not be able to help you, may not be able to deal with that. So it’s your responsibility. I like to say that if you’re angry at somebody and you’re carrying that anger. Who’s the one that’s being more affected by you carrying that anger?
Gloria Grace Rand
Yes.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
If you let go, you’re not letting the other person off the hook. You’re letting yourself off the hook. So the second part is deal with whatever feelings come up, allow yourself to digest them, express them, and then let them go. And then the third, which is so, so important, it’s my first pillar of resilience, and that’s your relationship with. With yourself. You know, you made comments about loving yourself, and that is so important. So, so much of the time. We’ve learned to be too critical with ourselves, too judgmental. We can be hard on ourselves when we make a mistake. But I like to say that you want to find that the healthy, internal voice inside yourself, the healthy internal parent, as I like to say, that comes from a place of love, compassion, acceptance, self acceptance, support, care, and joy. So anytime that you’re noticing that you’re upset about something, I guarantee if you trace it back, you will find some negative message, some negative judgment that you’re giving yourself. You have to say no to that. It’s not correct, it’s not healthy, it’s toxic. And then you shift to this healthy voice that I just gave you the characteristics of and speak that positive place, and I guarantee it will help you feel better, even in the midst of some upset.
Gloria Grace Rand
Absolutely. We have to, in essence, be our own parent, you know, because there’s. There’s always, I think, especially when. When crises come up and challenges. It’s like, you know, it. It brings up that little child within us that, you know, starts freaking out and. And, you know, or is scared and just. And we have to be able to say, you know, they’re there, it’s okay, and we’re gonna. We’re gonna figure this out. And I like how you. You were saying too, where, you know, to. To ask that question, you know, how can I. You know what, you know, where can. You know what? Can I find the answers? How can I be able to, you know, deal with this? But it does take, I think, taking a breath, I think, you know, and being able to stop and kind of pull yourself together because otherwise you can, you know, that the mind loves to run amok.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, we. We go into automatic patterns, automatic behavior.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Without thinking about it. And then once we, once we do that, we are already behind the eight ball. So one of the keys is to. To be present enough. And that’s my seventh pillar, being present. To sit, to recognize that you’re going into that negative direction. So that you can stop and give yourself a choice. You have to be present in the moment to have choice. And so you. You want to find yourself present to make a choice, to shift into that positive perspective.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, that’s so important. I know when I was researching to get ready for this interview, I noticed one of the things you also talk about or that you say is that our stress response that we have to things like this is actually a useful tool. So explain that, because I know there’s some people probably out there going, what? No. How can it be useful?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Right. And this is such an important point because, you know, I’ve spent years working with people on stress management and resilience, and people have a lot of resistance to that process. And you say, well, wait a second, you know, I know chronic stress, I have to deal with that. Why would I have resistance to it? And there’s. There are a number of reasons, but two of them. The first one is that stress is not just bad, that our stress response serves us in many ways. It helps us be more focused. It helps motivate us. It helps us be more persistent. And so because it’s not all bad, that’s one of the reasons we have resistance to dealing with it. But here’s another thing. I invite all of you listening and watching this right now to think about all the successes you’ve had in your life. And I guarantee that all or most of them have been associated with stress. So what happens every time you succeed and stress was associated with that success? Well, one of my early mentors, Donald Hebb, one of the pioneers in neuroscience, coined the term neurons that fire together, wire together. And what that simply means is when you put stress together with success, your brain puts those two things together. So unconsciously, we actually have a drive to engage in stressful behavior for just that reason. So that’s why it’s so difficult. But it’s also points out that we can reconsider stress as a useful tool, but within certain parameters. And that’s why I say it’s important for everybody to find your stress sweet spot. Okay. Most of the time, though, we. We push past that sweet spot, into the danger zone, into the red flag zone air area. And so it’s not that stress is bad. It’s that you want to find your level that maximizes your health and your performance.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. And I wanted to ask you about that. So how can someone find that stress sweet spot? How do we get to recognize it?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Yeah. Well, you begin by this framework that I’m giving you, which is that it’s not just bad, that it is a useful tool. So to begin with, you can re, you can feel a little sense of relief that you don’t have to just squash all of your stress, that you don’t have to try and eliminate it. But what you want to always be doing is asking yourself because throughout the day, think about our days. We, in our days we jump from one stress to another to another to another. The key is to identify those situations where you’re having a stressful reaction where you don’t need to be okay. Now one of the most common ways that we, we have a stress reaction is to situations that are not within our control. And so, you know, on the radio, in tv, we all the time, we can be hearing of difficult, dangerous situations and we react to it. Situations we may be frustrated by, angry about, but have no control over. Those are all situations where we’re activating our stress response with it without it having any benefit to us. So that’s a good first step. Look for all the time situations where you’re activating your nervous system to a stress that you have no control over. And those would be the first low hanging fruit to eliminate. And one, one of those is worry.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that because I know someone very well who loves to be able to dive into worry. And, and, and I know I heard a phrase one time that, that said something about borrowing trouble or something like that. I don’t remember what it was, but it was something I, I wish I’d written it down and posted it. So like when I, when he gets that way, I could say, dear, so what, what, what do you say to someone who’s like, you know, loves to be, you know, in that perpetual state of worriness or, or likes to, you know, worry over things they don’t have any control over. In fact I really. Right.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff]
So again we get back, we go back to my fifth pillar, mental balance and mastery. And we adopt a growth mindset. That means when we notice something we’re doing that doesn’t serve us rather than just throw our hands up and say, well, I guess I’m an anxious person, I guess I’m a worrier. No, we say this doesn’t serve me. How do I break this pattern? How do I break this habit? Because that’s exactly what it is. It’s a, it’s an old habit. And you know, a lot of these old habits we, we acquire unintentionally. You know, we may observe a parent who’s Anxious, a parent who’s a worrier. We don’t know that that’s right or wrong. We just adopt in many cases and model the behavior of our primary caregivers. So here, now we say, does this serve me? If it doesn’t serve me, how do I break the habit? And so the first step, that’s the first step is to make that decision. I want to break this habit. Now, the next thing is to realize that breaking any habit is an ongoing process. It’s not like going to the wall and flipping a light switch. Okay, now I’m going to flip it. Now. It’s a nice process because our brains are wired based on training, based on experience, and based on conditioning. And every time we worry, we are strengthening the neural networks around that behavior. Now, the good news, the very good news, is we have something called neuroplasticity. Neuroplasticity means we are capable of. Our brains are capable of change and transformation. But the key is that we have to be persistent with whatever we’re doing. And it starts with intention and decision. I want to break this habit. Then what it takes is every time you start to notice, for example, that you’re worrying, you go, wait a second. Is this serving me? Is this helping me in any way? And if the answer is no, then you say, even though I have this desire to worry, because that’s what I always do, I’m going to stop. It’s not serving me. I’m going to instead go over here in my thinking and think about positive outcomes. Think about what can happen that’s good rather than what can happen that’s bad. And so that’s another important step, because you can’t just say, I’m not going to do this because there’s a void there. You have to then go to, okay, where am I going to place my focus? Well, I’m going to place my focus in a positive direction. I’m going to place my focuses and what can happen that’s positive, that’s good. Now people will say to me, oh, that’s being a Pollyanna.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
This… What if, you know, this is. This could really happen. And I say, okay, it’s okay to do some planning. It’s okay to anticipate and how. And then decide how you’re going to deal with that if it happens. But then beyond planning, any additional focus on that is worry.
Gloria Grace Rand
Right.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
And now I’m going to introduce another concept to you that’s very important, and that’s we have a limited amount of resources. We have a Limited amount of personal energy. And, you know, our bodies are always making choices with where we put that energy. And so when you’re continually worrying, you are sending your mind and body into a defensive mode, into a stress mode that I refer to as protect and defend. Now, okay, what’s the danger of doing that? What’s the outcome of doing that? Well, as I said, we have limited personal energy. If I put my, my go in the direction of worry, I might be having to take energy away from, let’s say my kidneys, that uses that energy to filter blood and, and, and have better blood in my body. My bro. My brain and body are always making these choices. So particularly for people having chronic illnesses and having any kind of illness or insomnia, it’s even more important for you because worry takes your body away from its ability to heal appropriately. Your body needs resources to do the healing in the body. And so worry, anxiety takes the energy away from that. So you want to engage in the process that I just described so you can then send your energy to healing rather than defend and protect.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. Yeah. So good. I, I appreciate you sharing that. And it’s, it’s definitely lessons I have, I’ve learned how to do because I, I also did grow up with someone who, who love to be stressed and, and maybe not so much worry, but also, God rest her soul, I love my mom, but she loved to complain a lot too. And, and she would be very frustrated when things didn’t go her way. And which, which again, doesn’t help because it really does raise stress level. And she had high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes. These things are, you know, have been proven to be related to stress. We know there’s a good side of stress, but there’s also, when you’re not dealing with it, then you have. Those things can, can happen.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
And you know, Gloria, you can love your parents and you could still recognize that some of the lessons were not good lessons.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, yeah. And it’s because they also probably did not learn good lessons from their parents. So it keeps, you know, it’s all these generations, but we have the capability.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
We want to break those cycles.
Gloria Grace Rand
Right, Exactly. Yeah. So, which, which leads me to my next part, because part, you know, your, your, Your book talks about, of course, resilience and mastering stress. But as someone who is a little bit older now, getting there. I love the. You, you talk about the part about slowing aging and increasing vitality. So how can we go about doing that?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Okay. It’s part of the same conversation of how we smartly Use our energy so that our bodies function optimally. And I want people to know. I mean, last year I did a. I hosted a summit on longevity. And I want people to know that you have a role to play in how fast or slow your body ages. And we now have scientific proof that stress speeds up the aging process. And I’m actually doing a study right now to demonstrate that resilience can slow the aging process based on my nine pillars of resilience. And I have a one case example. So a year or two ago, I got my biological age assessed. So there are ways that you can actually assess your biological age, which means how slow or fast is your body actually aging? We have a chronological age, but our bodies age at different rates. And research is showing that stress speeds up that process. Process. So I took my biological age, and again, you know, the. My book and the nine pillars and the program that I. I talk about in my book is based on how I’ve figured out the best way to live optimally. And my biological age came out 20 years younger than my chronological age. And it’s. I believe it’s because of the way that I engage with stress that I find that stress sweet spot. And just as important, I find time every single day to practice a form of relaxation. Because if you think about your day, and I mentioned this a little earlier, if you think about your day, you realize that you jump from one stress to another to another. You’re continually activating the sympathetic branch of your nervous system. But how many times in your day do you have any kind of signal that says you’re safe, the coast is clear, you can let down your God, you can relax. Yeah, I don’t have any of those in my day. I don’t know about you. So I have to create them myself by practicing relaxation exercise. And I encourage everybody in the audience to. To find some way to engage in a practice, a regular practice that recovers the energy used up during stress by practicing a form of relaxation, biofeedback, mindfulness, et cetera.
Gloria Grace Rand
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And in fact, I will put in a plug for this. And this is a free app I’ve been using, not always consistently, but it’s something called the Triple Flame app that you can put on your phone. And it will set up pauses through your day. It’ll give you a little alert, like every three hours or.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
That’s great.
Gloria Grace Rand
And so that you. And it’s, it’s. And it’s such a good reminder because it’s like if I’m working at my computer. It’s like, oh, yeah, I gotta do that. Okay, so let me stop, and then I’ll just, like, look out the window for a little bit, you know, or maybe just stand up or something. Because you’re right. We. There’s always something. And I know I’m. I’m, like, always doing something. It’s like I’ve got, you know, 20. 20 billion, 20 gazillion things doing a given day, but if I don’t stop, then, yeah, it’s. It’s not good.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, I’m gonna get that app.
Gloria Grace Rand
All right.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Because on the one hand, it’s about awakening to the moment to relax, but simply the process of awakening to the moment takes you out of that automatic conditioned mode and gives you the opportunity for choice.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
And choice is what helps you grow.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, definitely. I want to ask you something about what is a commonly held belief about maybe either stress or resilience that you passionately disagree with?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, again, one is there’s a common notion that stress is bad. And so I totally disagree with that, that some stress is helpful and important, and in fact, your stress response is a useful tool. The other I also mentioned is resilience as the ability to bounce back, which indicates you want to go back to where you started from. Now, part of that is correct. You want to come back to where you started from, from restoring the resources used up during stress. But you don’t want to come back to the same cognitive approaches, the same mindset as before. You want to always be thinking, how can I grow away from some of the messages I got? You know, such as worry and anxiety, such as treating yourself in a negative way, such as being overly critical and judgmental with yourself. All of those things are need to be tackled so that you begin treating yourself in a loving, accepting, and compassionate way.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, thank you for that. I appreciate that. And it’s. It’s good for people to hear that again, because I know. I don’t know about you, but sometimes we need to hear things a few times for it to really start to sink in to the brain. So I’m glad you. I’m glad you stressed that again. Pardon the pun.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
That’s a very good point. Because one of the potential publishers of my last book wanted me to take out some of the redundancy in my book. And I told them my book isn’t designed to just give information. It’s designed to get results. If I want people to really transform themselves, transform their lives, there’s some aspects of my message that I have to repeat. That people have to hear more than once because they’re so important. And so that’s how I found a different publisher that recognized the importance and were in alignment with me, that the goal is for people to not just get the information from my book, but to actually get it in a way that they make changes. Changes in their lives.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, absolutely. And. And because what will happen sometimes is because I know I’ve experienced this. Sometimes you read something, but maybe you’re still not 100% dialed in to what you’re reading. And so then maybe the next time, or you go to the next paragraph, you’ll. You might come across, it might be the exact same thing, but now it’s registering because you weren’t fully present before what you were talking about. So, yeah, that is so good. I’m going to ask you this question because I love asking my guests to see what responses they have. So I would love to know, what are you curious about right now?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Good question. And it’s something that I actually thought about the other day because I realized that that was one of my characteristics that really serves me because I’m curious about everything. Whenever I’m engaged with the world, I find myself very curious, you know, and it could be something I’m very much involved in or something that I’m. That I’m not so involved in. So I have people in the entertainment industry, in the arts, and even though that’s not my field, when they present something to me that they’re engaged and involved in, I’m very curious about it because I want to know about all aspects of life. I’m about to start a new podcast called Quantum Leadership, and it’s about the characteristics of good leadership. And so quantum is. And quantum mechanics is thing that I’m currently very curious about, because the quantum effect, and this is, you know, quantum effect is something that we, we. The research shows on the very micro level, on the atomic level. And one of the big questions that I have is how do these. The way that things work on a micro level, on an atomic level, on the quantum level, how do they manifest in the human level, on our level? Because it’s a very. Those lessons are very different. For example, on the quantum level, there’s what’s referred to as entanglement. And entanglement means that things that are very, very far apart can both instantaneously make changes simultaneously.
Gloria Grace Rand
Right? Yeah.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, this goes to my belief in how we are all interconnected, how having this notion of interconnectedness actually serves us. So right now that’s something that I’m very curious about.
Gloria Grace Rand
I am too. I’m very, I love reading books about quantum physics and it’s, it’s just so fascinating because I really think, you know, we’re really starting to appreciate that consciousness is really remarkable and that it, we really do have the power to create our reality. Because they, I mean, they’ve even done experiments, as you say, where, you know, you can. What happens here instantaneously happens and even. What is it there, there’s some other experiment about how that things change depending on whether you’re looking at them or not.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
The observer effect.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
That blew me away when I first heard about it, particularly as a scientist where all the research I did, we’re always. You always want to separate yourself from the experiment so you don’t influence it.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Now we know that you can’t get away from that.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, exactly. I know, it’s, it’s, it’s really wild. I, I love that kind of stuff. So we’re, we’re just about out of time here. But I want to ask, is there anything else that I should have asked you about that I didn’t or any other last point you want to make?
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Well, Gloria, you’re a great interviewer because I think we’ve covered so many of the important topics. What I’d like to tell people is that there’s more information on my website, drstephensideroff.com and then I also, what I offered to you for your audience are two things. One is a free first chapter of my book that they can get. I’ll send you the link to that. And then on my website I offer a resilience assessment that they can, everybody can take. And from that you can derive your personal resilience profile along my nine dimensions. So you can determine within a 10 minute questionnaire which are your areas of strength and which are the areas you need further development. So a lot of people find that to be fascinating and very helpful in their own growth.
Gloria Grace Rand
Oh yeah, absolutely. I’ll have to check that out myself because I would, I, I like to think I’m, I’m definitely better now than I was, say, 10 or 20 years ago. But, you know, there’s always room for improvement.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Yeah. And then my book is available online, Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It’s also in bookstores. And the book takes you step by step through a process where you can improve along all nine of those pillars.
Gloria Grace Rand
Lovely. All right, well, I’ll have, I’ll make sure I have at least a link to the online one in the show notes as well, but. Or at least have a link to your website as well. Let them get it there. That’s probably better. You wanna, you wanna get traffic to your website. That’s, that’s my little marketing side of me showing up. So thank you so much for being here today. I really, I really appreciate everything that you had to say and I know our listeners and viewers on YouTube received a lot of value from it.
Dr. Stephen Sideroff
Thank you very much for having me. It’s been a pleasure.
Gloria Grace Rand
And I do want to thank all of you as well for, for listening and for watching today. And I hope, and hopefully you did receive some value from it. And if you did, let me know. I would love to know that. And you can contact me on social media. Gloria Grace Rand, you can, you can find me. And if you’re not already subscribed to the podcast, I hope you will do that as well. And we’re on all the major platforms and yeah, I think that’s going to do it. So until next time, as always, I encourage you to go out and live fully, love deeply and engage authentically.
