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Beyond the Edge: A Path to Healing from Suicidal Ideation

Are you ready to go beyond the edge of despair and step into the light? Join us as we sit down with author Gina Cavalier, who opens up about her intimate struggle with suicidal ideation and her journey toward healing.

Show Notes | Transcript

“We could be dealing with 90% of the population that have suicidal thoughts once in a while. So, yeah, normalizing it in a kind way, with some levity and understanding, that we’re just all unique, our story’s unique.” – Gina Cavalier

Gina Cavalier confronts the often-taboo subject of suicidal ideation in this candid and uplifting discussion. Gina is the co-author of the book, “Surviving Suicidal Ideation: From Therapy, Spirituality, and the Lived Experience” which promises to be a groundbreaking work on this topic. We delve into the raw realities of mental health, the importance of creating a safe space for these conversations, and the life-saving work she intends to offer through her planned nonprofit, Suicidal Ideation Anonymous.

In this episode, you will learn:

  • Gina’s personal struggle with suicidal ideation, and her journey towards healing
  • The transformative power of connecting with one’s spiritual core and embracing authenticity
  • The role of setting boundaries and fostering self-love
  • How to transform your life by understanding personal energy, grounding, releasing negativity, and connecting with nature’s energy
  • The power of volunteering and the healing process of writing with spiritual guidance


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Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Namaste. Did you know that nearly 50,000 people in the United States and more than 800,000 worldwide died by suicide each year, and in the US, it’s the second leading cause of death among 10 to 14-year-old kids and young adults between the ages of 25 and 34. Young adults between the ages of 25 and 34. So it’s not exactly a fun subject, not one that we typically talk about on the podcast, but it is an important one and I think, yeah, it needs to be talked about, and I’ve got a great guest who I’m going to be bringing out in just a moment. She has co-authored a book that is coming out soon called Surviving Suicidal Ideation from Therapy, Spirituality and the Lived Experience.

But before I bring the wonderful Gina Cavalier on, I would like to welcome you to the podcast, especially if this is your first time. I am Gloria Grace and I help female entrepreneurs shed self-doubt, negative thought patterns so you can grow a business that aligns with your soul’s purpose. So I think part of that is really being, you know, being able to, yeah, get rid of some of these negative thought patterns that are can be very destructive sometimes. So we’re going to bring on a wonderful woman right now sometimes. So we’re going to bring on a wonderful woman right now, Without further ado. Her name is Gina Cavalier and, yes, she’s also host of the Liberated Healer podcast. So a fellow podcaster, and I’m glad to have you on the show today.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
Thank you for the opportunity. And, yes, it is a serious topic but we don’t call it a dark topic and we are putting an effort together to bring levity towards it and to kind of take away some of the stigmatism so we can help our fellow humans. And so, yeah, we kind of raise the frequency, we try to keep it in the space where it’s not so taboo and not so scary and so we can actually make headway.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Yeah, absolutely. I like that. That’s a good way to frame it. So I always love to start the interviews, you know, with our guests, kind of having them share with us a little bit about their journey, and so you know what got you here today, where you are someone who is talking about healing and talking about, you know, helping folks who may be having some trouble managing their lives. Let’s put it that way.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
Yeah, well, you know, we’re just so individual, our story is always different, but there’s a lot of things that are very similar. And you know, I just I had a suicidal ideation. On and off I wasn’t even really a depressed person, I just didn’t feel like I fit in anywhere. You know, I had abusive childhood and that kind of beat, some unworthiness into me and self-pity and doubt and just fears. And I knew I was a good person at heart. So I didn’t understand. I felt there was a disconnect between what my soul was and how I was feeling inside and how the world around me felt. Also, I was very empathetic and very sensitive to energy, and so my nature was to go in and help people, heal people. And so I came in, just started helping everyone as much as I could, to the point where I got chronic fatigue syndrome. I was just overweight, I was exhausted and I was sad and I didn’t understand this process. I just kind of, when life events would come in like a divorce or a job change or anything that felt really overwhelming, I just would kind of go there just saying, yeah, I don’t belong here. I just don’t feel like I belong here, I’m outside the circle, always, just always on the edge of feeling like I belong. And then I just really got tired of that record playing in my head and I said I’m going to really try to figure this out and I put the healing in my own hands um, knowing that I’m the only one with me 24, seven and I continued through a path to heal that and it was. It took me a while, but now I feel like I can reduce that um length of time for people explaining what my process was, some of the things that helped me creating these books, these workbooks that people can do on their home so they’re not alone, I mean, so they don’t have to tell anybody if they don’t feel comfortable to do that yet, but they can still get some one-on-one advice and safety plans with some therapeutic context. And I’m building a nonprofit Suicidal Ideation Anonymous, which I’m trying to get grants for right now, and it’s going to act much like AA and I thought, well, anything that needs to be anonymous probably is suicidal ideation, and that’s just where we’re going now. And so I’m building a whole 360, you know I’m building an app building this whole world around helping mental health and, you know, normalizing these conversations so we don’t have to hear as many of these stories.

It’s correct, we do lose one person every 11 minutes in the United States alone, so it is actually a worldwide epidemic, pandemic, whatever you want to call it. It’s 911. We also have to have programs in place where people are so scared and overwhelmed by what might happen. Is it going to damage their future prospects of working? Is it going to? Because a lot of people have these emotions and they come over you and then they go away.

For a lot of the people that have, on and off, suicidal ideation, it’s not something that’s every day, so they don’t want to damage their future by just communicating. Yeah, I have some dark thoughts once in a while, and the thing is we don’t know the statistics on how many people have suicidal ideation. We only know people who’ve actually either had an attempt that was documented or, you know, actually followed through with it, and those numbers alone are staggering. So we could be dealing with 90% of the population that have suicidal thoughts once in a while. So, yeah, normalizing it in a kind way, with some levity and understanding, that we’re just all unique, our story’s unique. What are you going to put in your toolbox for you, whether it’s exercising, meditating, maybe even church or whatever it is to you, but you have to create your own playbook, in a way.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Yeah, I love that and so many things are going through my mind as you’re talking about it and I’m going to start. I’m going to start with one thing is that I also believe that you know, because you went through this, it’s why you are here now to be able to do this. You know it’s clearly, this is your, you know reason for being here, and I love that. I love the idea also about suicidal ideation on out of us. I think that is very good.

It makes so much sense and I do think it may be 90%. I mean, I remember when I was a teenager and I briefly thought about it because I was growing up in a household that wasn’t a lot of fun, and then you mix in just becoming a teenager and all the crap that goes with that sometimes, yeah, and, and I think the main thing that prevented me, or one of the things, was that my mom I had seen my mom when I was a little girl. She lost her best friend to suicide and I saw how devastated she was. I mean, just even I was probably five years old or something, and so I think that was always in the back of my head, that, nah, I can’t really do that to my mom, so I didn’t go through with it.

But, yeah, so there’s so much to it, and I love that you mentioned a few things and that we all have our own journey to go through. What do you think actually helped you maybe the most, or have? Yeah, let me just start with air first. Okay, end up doing compound questions too often, so let’s go there. What do you think helped you the most in being able to you know, finally, you know, flip that switch and be able to say, okay, I don’t have to be in that place anymore.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
We’ve kind of forgotten about spirituality. Spirituality comes last a lot of times when we’re in our development. So it’s physical and education and all these different things. And hundreds of years ago we knew spirituality was the number one thing and the Native Americans kept that alive and that’s what their number one thing is, and they put spirituality first and what that means. To me it’s not about separating from a religion. You can add spirituality to either an atheist or to a religion or to anything you want. When I’m talking about spirituality, I’m talking about your education of where your heart is in the spirit, or even maybe a soul, and you know, connecting that, having that connection, having that with everything around you, understanding that there’s a vibration with everything.

The number one thing that changed my life was learning about energy, and this is quantum physics. This isn’t a woo-woo thing anymore. I mean a lot of detailed books about energy, how they work with some of the smartest people that ever walked the planet. So we know we are full of energy. We know when we walk a room and something feels good or doesn’t feel good, we know we are. When you realize that you are all energy, that you can actually take that and work with it and it’s malleable. And so now I was able to put my energy into my hands, and what happens is is as you clean your energy, as you process it and run it through, you will start to attract like-minded like energy. And so at the time when you’re feeling very depressed and overwhelmed and maybe you have these trauma that you have a either worked on yourself or with a medical professional, that trauma is living outside of you and you’re attracting more trauma to you. It is energy. And so and that’s all I was doing I was I was attracting more and more toxic people to me who would just happily take every bit of energy I had left in my body and not realize even that they were doing it. But I was giving it away freely. And so at some point I had to take accountability and say I’m the one giving all that energy and not saving it for myself and not loving myself. I love everything around me. I love my job because it gave me some kind of validation and made me feel worthy momentarily. But at the end that job didn’t love me really. It did pay some bills, but at the end of the day I would go home and feel empty. So I wanted to fill up my energetic tank constantly.

Learning how to ground is something that we’ve lost. With all the cement and all the technology and everything our body is literally struggling in all the Wi-Fi we don’t even realize our phone how much all this energy around us is messing up with our conductor of our energetic body. So, learning how to ground and how to release, no matter where you are you can be in a 20 story building grounding yourself to the center of the earth and putting your body on release for judgments coming at you, criticisms coming through other people or for your own mind, releasing that and then learning how to run that energy and connecting with the earth and the cosmic energy. And that really makes you feel and understand wow, I’m a part of this big ecosystem, I’m supposed to be here. There’s a purpose. We do all come in with a purpose. We really really do.

And when you realize that, as someone who has on again, off again, suicidal ideation, you start to want to find that purpose, you start to fall in love with yourself and the past just start to open a little more, the clouds just start to fall away and you recognize that every little thing that either, that happened to you. It happened for you, not to you, and that’s the thing that you start to change in your mind and you go, because a lot of especially if you have trauma it feels like why did that happen to me? Why does this keep happening to me? But it’s happening for you, and if it’s happening repeatedly, which was in my case, it was finally. It was like a bird knocking on my window Tink, tink, tink, tink. Look, there’s something you need to look at here and listen to that little knocks, those little knocks and having some awareness of your environment, how you’re communicating to people, your whole energy changes.

I used to be all over the place, workaholic, erratic, not grounded. If something came over emotionally, it’d be like, oh no, I have to deal with that, and it would be like a layered cake on top of pain or top of pain, and then I would go home and just feel so empty.

Now, conflict comes to all of us all day long. So what happens is when you get to this place as conflict comes in or an obstacle comes in, you get grounded and you look at it in a different way and you look at it from all sides. You look at it a little bit more calmer. And then you say, oh, I can see the path clearly, how to fix this with the least amount of resistance and I don’t have to live with it for hours and days and nights. I can just move through the energy and let it go and not let it run around in my head and own me. And once you do that, you have more time in your day to actually accomplish the goals that you want. You know I’ve written. You know you know I wrote that this book in three months and I got a second book deal a couple of weeks ago. I have another book due in three months. So I wouldn’t have been able to accomplish those things if I was in my head spinning all the time.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Oh yeah, absolutely, and that is the one thing I think is important I know I think I’ve made this point on the show before, but it is good for people to understand is that, yeah, life is going to come at you. But when you start having some sort of a spiritual practice, something that is going to help you, it does get easier and easier to deal with those things and you can or even frankly, just to even recognize it and then go oh, wait a minute, this is something I. Is this true? Is this really true? Do I really want to go there? Or can I let that go, because I’ve dealt with that before? I don’t have to let it send me down into you know, a tailspin or something, and wanting to just sit in the corner somewhere and, you know, pull the covers over your head, it’s like no, no, no, been there, done that, come on, we can get through it.

So it does get easier, as long as you do keep working at it, and you mentioned something which, in just sort of passing, but some people I think it is also important to know that. Yes, I agree with you 100%. We are all energetic beings and I do love how science and spirituality are coming together more and more every day. You see wonderful books and things and you know studies people are doing and sometimes it’s not enough. Where does therapy fall in this, and how do people maybe have to, you know, realize that maybe they do need to get some other outside help as well?

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
Well, it’s the whole reason why I asked Dr Amelia Kelly to join. I did have the vision to have this book. I knew I was going to do it. I actually have a vision that I’m going to write three books. You know I’ve become what they call a cipher now and knowing that I’m doing that, which it means I’m a energetic source of information coming from ascended masters that I’m writing these books with.

But I knew that I needed to have a clinical. I wanted to have a 360 view because I’m coming from a lived experience and the spiritual aspects that worked for me. But absolutely we have to know medically what’s going on in our mind a lot of times and again that’s scary to go out to maybe a doctor. That’s why we put it in the book and you can look at what a small T is trauma, what a big T is maybe some myths and taboos, maybe what’s going on in your mind chemically with these different traumas, and there’s no way I could have added that to that. And the thing is that a lot of these people are, they’re educated in a way, with science backing them, and they can recognize a pattern and they can actually be what I would call one of your best friends who is trained to recognize patterns that you might not be able to be seeing in yourself. And it’s a part of your tool set. And if you might have to go through a couple different ones that resonate with you and you don’t, and that’s not a bad thing. You just have to get to that point where you see that you find someone who sees you, that you feel like you are safe with that. They’re going to look right into your eyes and they’re going to, they’re going to go let’s go through some of these things and they’re going to be able to pinpoint a couple of things that maybe you can’t see in yourself.

And I had a really good doctor that I hardly ever saw actually, because within like four treatments he’d be, he would tell me as well. I was like I don’t think I need to see for a while, but he was so good. So they’re out there and they’re very compassionate individuals. We need to support our mental health facilitators at doctors. Doctors are one of the number one areas doctors and nurses of people that commit suicide.

Actually, their job is very stressful and painful and we know that we have a lot of things with insurance and affordability that we have to work on as a collective, and as we all raise up energetically as a collective, we’re going to demand more. All raise up energetically as a collective, we’re going to demand more. We’re going to be able to see better paths to help our community. Each single person that rises in this way is not just helping themselves. You really are actually adding to that pond a beautiful, um, energetic light that’s going to make the world change for positive, and once you turn that on, you can’t turn that off. It’s something that never goes off again Once you see that you’re a part of this big collective and it actually takes away any of the really deep, dark, serious thoughts. Because you know that, regardless, you’ve, you know you have this purpose, and so

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
It’s all right. it’s all good. So many things I want to go down. I want to go, I want to remember, because I want to kind of circle back to something you mentioned, but it’s a little bit off the topic, but I want to stay on the topic temporarily. If someone listening to this right now is, you know, saying yeah, I’ve had some thoughts like that, what would be the first thing that you would recommend that they do to be able to, you know, reclaim their life and be able to be more focused on what they want to do, as opposed to what these, you know, ideas are trying to have them do instead?

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
First thing to do would be to um, I like how Jordan Peterson says um, when I listened to him, he, he, his advice was to just wait one more day, give it one more day. And I liked that because, um, just from my experience, the energy usually shifts within the day. So if you’re really just going, you know what, I can’t do it anymore, I really can’t do this anymore. Um, you gotta look, you gotta say you know what, let’s just do it tomorrow. And then, and then, honestly, the, the energy does change, because when you’re in that heightened feeling of I’ve got to check out, we detailed five stages, so it’s the five phases of suicidal ideation and then the five phases of healing. So we kind of merge those two so you can kind of gauge where you are. Are you in a one, two, three or five? Is five is action? And if you’re in a five, which is action, you know, give it one more day, just say, okay, you know what, I’ll do it tomorrow, and usually it does really change. That’s the first thing. Then do you have to really look at what, how you’re feeling and what makes you feel safe. So, again, that’s why I like the book, because it’s a workbook and there’s a safety plan in it and there’s resources. So there’s recommended apps. There’s recommended you could call the National Suicide Hotline. There’s different things that you can do that you can do on your own if you don’t feel like communicating with anyone. Do on your own if you don’t feel like communicating with anyone. But obviously, getting to the point where you can be, you know there’s people, everybody, we all have someone out there that we know that we can try to bring into the situation and eventually getting that point where you feel like, hey, I just need someone that is going to be my safety net and start. You. Look at those safety plans are also online. They’re also at drmilliekellycom and you know, print out that safety thing and you can write in your. It’ll have all kinds of things in there too, like writing down your pets, writing down the things that you love.

For me, when I started, I love music and I’ve used music as a big healing for me. I turn it on. That’s why my Siri came on healing for me. I turn it on. That’s why my Siri comes on. She comes on constantly because I still have PTSD, I still have anxiety, and it usually happens the first time I wake up out of my sleep. So the first thing I do is I put on meditation music and I do it low enough to I don’t really. It’s not blaring, but it’s just a slow hum that keeps me calm all day long. So it’s those ton of tools to say you know what music speaks to me.

And then I really started to think you know what? Do I ever want to silence music? I love it so much Do I never want to hear the Bee Gees again? Do I never want to? You know what I mean?

And seeing just this beauty and starting to reconnect the synapses in my brain to things that are outside, those things that we, whatever is in our mind, that’s really making us feel disconnected, whether it’s I’ll never be pretty enough, I’ll never have the job that I want, I never. I’m alone. I never met my right partner. I’m getting, you know, old, you know all these things which are really kind of been programmed into us at this point, as we’ve left our spirituality, as we become more disconnected with our spirit. I mean, our physical body is going to get older, but our spirit never does, ever, ever, ever. And it’s always championing us and we always have guides around us that just are holding us and we have angels around us, all kinds of beautiful things and when you start to really feel this hugs from spirit, the loneliness falls away. Even if you might be lonely, you know, even if you might not have a lot of physical people in your life, sometimes that’s a good place to work from, because you don’t have a lot of toxic people you have to break up with, you know. And then if you say, hey, you know what, I don’t want to be lonely anymore, but I’m going to call in a person who is, hey, you know, you start to call in better quality people who are aware, who want to build the same kind of relationship with me, and you start to. There’s a thing that naturally happens you start to create these boundaries that are kind to you but also more respectful to the other person and and um, it’s just a healthier relationship will come out of that and in general, you will start feeling better, um, as you, because you also am putting yourself first, and it feels really good. I mean, it takes a second, but then you say, wow, I loved myself today. Normally I would have beaten myself up, but now, and having that recognize, uh, recognizing that the other.

The second thing that I think that really helped me too is I almost created a second self. I needed my own best friend and the sometimes this best friend was a kid me as a child self. I needed my own best friend and sometimes this best friend was a kid me as a child, where I could hug and say I’m sorry that happened to you and release that. And I used this practice through Susan Anderson’s abandonment books and they were on audio, which for some reason, audio really helps me and they were, you know, these abandoned and this second self, and so this, the second self sometimes would and I, you know, as something would come in, you know, really like a scary thing, you know something that that would trigger me.

That second self would say are you really going to put yourself down today? Are you really going to go there today? Can we? Should we go take a bath, can we? You know? And then and actually works and I’d say, yeah, you’re right, I’m not going to do that right now, I had too much to do, or, and I for me, I really liked this, and so she uses that practice and that really helped me. I felt just kind of get through the hard moments.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
I love that. And I wanted to ask you one other thing, because again I’m thinking back to when I was. I’ve had my moments, you know, over the years, but especially even when I was a kid, and I think sometimes we also, we can really start to even shame ourselves into feeling bad, and you know that just makes it worse. So I think sometimes and tell me if you agree with this or not but I think sometimes it’s okay to give yourself permission, like to have a little pity party and even put on sad music. I mean, I love Barry Manilow but I have to say, when I was a teenager growing up and I had all these Barry Manilow albums, there would be some really good songs on there that I would just like listen to and cry with. So what do you, what do you think about that? Is that Absolutely yeah.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
You have to. It’s like a teapot and you have to let the air out and you can’t be shameful of that air um, but you have to do it in healthy ways, um. So, for example, if you’ve got a lot of it, and a lot of times when I do energy work on people, I see like their, their bottom area or their first chakra, um, a lot of time for maybe even childhood is completely stuck and that you can see that they have this anger in them and that when I see this bright red, this anger, you know that has to be released. Again. I love putting music on, just dancing around the house and just kind of letting that thing go, letting the tears come. Tears are an important process of our physiological body and our emotional release. It’s so important, especially for men. They’re told they’re not supposed to cry or their men are huge. They’re 80% of the suicidal rate. So they’re definitely in our hearts and we need to support the men and say let it out, just scream, just let the tears come. It’ll feel so good to let that go but also finding healthier other ways.

Like I love boxing and it’s so funny I’m. I always tell people I love to kick, I just love it. I don’t know why it’s like my body loves it so much. And when I get to go to boxing class and and for some reason, that physical act and just that kick, you know um, just momentarily, it lets me just say no, this there’s so many. There are a lot of hard things in this world. Um, I can’t personally take them on. I can’t, as one person, go in and heal the wars and um, heal all the abused animals and worry about all the children. But if I help myself and I become a whole person who’s aware of my actions, what I put online, what kind of energy I’m putting out every day, not only am I helping myself, and I’m helping the community as a whole, and the more that we do that, we’re going to see big changes happen.

What I’m saying about you know putting be very cognizant of the energy you’re putting out into the world. It is really important If you have a cause that you are really championing for still, you can still champion that cause, but you can do it in kinder ways. And it’s really important because you actually carry that energy with you. If you go online and you go be a, you know, keyboard warriors they call it, which I understand. And if you’re passionate about that, do it, but you got to do it with grace, grace. You have to, because you actually will carry that If you start name calling and belittling people and commenting on people’s physicality and you know what, you carry that. And then when you when so especially going into an election year you know we have to realize I always try to see people as as when they were babies that they came into this world not full of these things and and they have their own journey too. And we have to realize that sometimes people that we don’t like are our best teachers. Oh yeah, you know. So don’t you’re not separate from them, that’s you know.

Especially like little, we’ve given political figures so much they become the celebrity right and the reality is they’re supposed to be servants. That like we’ve, we’ve given them the power. So we need to take that power back. We’ve given money power. We’ve given medication power. We’ve given the politicians power.

We need to come back locally in community, like I deal with you deal, if you want to make an impact, work locally, help the older people around you, help protect children, help feed the homeless like, help animals.

That that’s your thing, you know, or just work on yourself, or write a book or whatever you want, but do it locally, um, and try to really watch the, the information you’re putting out there, because you might be hurting someone. They might be on their last leg and you might be the one thing pushing them over. Is it worth that? No, and then when you I get it, still I’m like oh, I can’t believe. A person said that I want to say something and then I go no, it’s going to live on the internet forever. I’m going to carry that energy with me and I’m going to bring it into my work. I’m bringing it to my home, no, and then you forget about it. But that practice is actually really good and if we do that a lot less as a whole, we’re going to see things just start to be a little kinder, a little softer, Absolutely, and I love that.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
You mentioned, like you know, having like causes, because that’s the other thing I have found too is the way to be able to that I’ve been able to take myself out of, like you know, a funky mood or something is if I focus on somebody else and I start giving to them, doing something, so that because then we get out of our own head and we’re focused in on serving somebody else, and so I think that’s yeah.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
I have. I have one tip for that, just to explain when I was really at my worst, I went and I volunteered. You know, I was a media executive working at studios and things like that. I went and volunteered at the animal shelter and I would play music for them and then I’d walk them. I cleaned poop all day long for them and then I’d walk them. I cleaned poop all day long, um, and it, it really brought me down to reality and I, just as these, as these poor animals had no voice, had, um, just was looking for, uh, you know, they’re just these beautiful spirits, um, and they’re in the hands of us humans and all these animals and, um, as I saw their eyes and their energy, I just realized that actually my presence was helping them.

That day and it really took me out of myself, you know, constantly thinking about these things, and I just looked at this thing that needed me. So about a month into it, I really started to see my, when I was really bad, I just didn’t feel like I wanted to be here and I went and volunteered animal shelter. I mean, within a month, I mean didn’t feel like I wanted to be here and I went and volunteered animal shelter, I mean within a month. I mean it took me like it just was, so all that fell away because I just wanted to contribute to this thing that needed me and yeah, that’s a really good way if you’re feeling stuck to volunteer.

I mean there’s, you know, there’s people and because, especially in America, we’ve learned how to be so separated and there’s so many people in convalescent hospitals that either had accident, their family has abandoned them, or older people that you know have everybody’s passed on and they’re by themselves. If we had more programs where we would teach children to, you know, instead of doing some of these classes that maybe, or taking this you know an hour out of their computer time, you know, go and actually sitting with an elderly or somebody who needs them and reading them a book, those children would have such a rich life because they would know that you can feel it, that you’re changing a person’s life that day, if we can have more. You know this is stuff that happens in the happiest countries in the world, like Sweden and Norway. I mean, we United States is something like number 23 in the happiest country in the on the planet right now. We’re like the lowest of low.

Why is that? Because we’re all stuck onto the computers. You know we’re not creating these synapses of kindness and love that we all need. So going outside yourself again, volunteering, it’ll change your ability, your wantingness to be here pretty quickly, I think.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Yeah, absolutely, I 100% agree with that, and I want to just ask you real briefly because you mentioned this and I can relate to this as well when you talked about writing the book that you mentioned. You’re sort of getting kind of help in writing that. Can you elaborate on that?

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
a little bit. Yeah, it was really interesting because and you know, like it was a while ago, I actually put a tattoo on my arm of Amelia Earhart and I didn’t even know why I was super depressed and then I later on got a laser. And I didn’t even know why I was super depressed and then I later on got a laser off because I don’t even know why I did that. And then, when I was on my podcast and I was formulating this idea for this book, dr Amelia Kelly came on and for some reason I kept hearing ask her to write it with you. I mean, I just started getting it like super strong, like ask her to this book with you. I was like okay, and I just asked her and she was like yeah, and so we wrote the proposal and then I, you know, we got four contract offers. We chose Swedenborg Foundation because it’s a nonprofit and they’re going to help get the book out to people who financially can afford it. And so I needed that. I wanted to, you know, have something that had this kinder instead of like a full book sales actually for this book.

And while I was writing, I remembered about Emanuel Swedenborg, who is from the Swedenborg Foundation, who you know. He was a genius. There’s only three people in the world still to this day who has an IQ over 210 and he’s one of them Um, and he wrote just all these volumes of work that he channeled through angels. And he was um and he just didn’t really mythical person. And as he started writing um and got the book deal, he came in right away and he said I do you want me to help this, write this book for you? And I was like, uh, with you and I was like, absolutely, um. He said do you want me to help write this book for you? And I was like with you and I was like, absolutely. He said it’s going to do really well. You’re going to reach a lot of people. This is something that’s important. This has been in your lineage to be doing this for a very long time, and that’s why I thought that was fascinating, because, while I was really depressed and I was feeling like I didn’t have any purpose, you know, 18 years later, I’m going to write this book with this woman, amelia, like I didn’t even know and I still haven’t even told her that whole story yet and all these things started to click in place that I had to get to that really painful journey so I could release the power of money over me, release the power of all these spiritual things, so I could actually hear where I was supposed to be. I do. It was revealed that Swedenborg and I at least what he showed me is that I was his research assistant in that life and he always says way more than a research assistant, you were brilliant, you know, and I understand now why I love research and I always had this passion of writing and I didn’t have a lot of education. So I felt shamed that I didn’t have a lot of education and so a lot of time. I would poo-poo myself because, saying I’m just not educated enough, I’m never going to be able to write a book, and I had to change that energy. And now, even though it was definitely written, my portions were written through me. I really had that companion, emmanuel Swedenborg, kind of directing me to explain some things and he was right alongside with me.

My second book I already have that guide that’s come in and she’s an earth angel. Her name is Sue Ellen, which is funny. She’s like you can say it with an accent, but I’m basically telling her story. She’s lived repeated lives committing suicide over and over again, because it’s the earth is so dense she can’t handle it, she’s way too sensitive. So she’s coming in to help me show people who are really sensitive how to live on this dense brain and to change your energy and to see their life path. So that’s why I said I become a cipher, which we all have gifts. We all come in with gifts in this world and it really helps and that’s going to be in my first chapter how to find out what your gift is. There’s about 30 of them and usually only have two, maybe three. It’s going to be in book two, chapter one. But when I realized I didn’t even know what Cypher really was.

But I am a channel from masters to kind of write, to show to the world, kind of kind of be that channel to share these messages, these secret, secret codings, and uncode the things that have been hidden from us or destroyed. There’s been a lot of um, destroyed information, all in an effort to control us and to put us in a box. And you know it’s all been based on money and you can see things are falling apart. Those old ways are coming apart. We’re getting help by all of the high vibrations to let that all go. And not that money is bad, it isn’t bad, it really. They want us to be abundant, have anything we really want to have. But does the money have the power over you as over your soul? Does the power control your, the power on your soul? And that’s the difference. So, be abundant, have everything that you want. But it’s the relationship with your power with money and um, does it own you? And when it owns you, that’s when you need to go back and say you know what?

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
And um, yeah, it’s interesting, it is very fascinating, and I’m going to have to have you back on the show when you get that other book done. I want to. Well, number one I want to read it, and number two I think it’s going to be fascinating. So I think it’s going to be great.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
I’m actually going to be illustrating how energy works. So if people it’s going to be one of those, I think, kind of the first book of its time, I’m right, and it’s going to be just smaller chunks, it’s not big long paragraphs, and then I’m going to illustrate how energy works so people can just look at the picture and get a healing and then also see, yeah, so cool, so cool.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
See, I knew when, when, and I I don’t remember exactly how I found you, but I’m so glad I did because I just loved communicating with people.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
you know, I’m sending everybody out a big hug if they’re going through anything or they’ve already gone through something, and that’s why we really need to bring levity to these hard conversations and, as you can see, like I, don’t bring a heaviness to it, you know, and I I, like you said I found my purpose in this like it’s, like I can’t. Who would have thought like this would be my really conversation, but I’m so blessed and grateful, Absolutely.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Well, which brings me to my last question, which is how can someone learn more about you? How do they find out about? Because I know the book is going to be released until June, I believe Correct.

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
Well, I have. I actually have meditation one up right now. It’s only 125 and it shows you how to ground and do the earth and cosmic and to run the energy and that’s always the basis. If you do that, you’re going to change your energy right away and it’s only $125. I pay for all the processing fees and everything there and so I’m trying to get that out to help start recouping and having some product. And I’m going to be doing meditation too and healing one where actually you can get healing guides. I’m going to show you how to get your own healing guides and how to channel them in through your hands and all around you. So we’re going to do some advanced techniques on my website Podcast, liberated Healer, and then also you can buy you can pre-buy the book now.

Surviving Suicidal Ideation from Therapy to Spirituality in the Lived Experience is out on presale right now on pretty much all major bookstores and Suicidal Ideation Anonymous. I’m looking for grants right now. I just got my EIN and I’m going to be putting together a whole team for that. I can’t do that alone and I’m just putting the universe and calling in people who want to help, want to help with grants and building a wellness app. I’m actually raising $3 million for the wellness app and I’m just doing a 360 thing and going for it. So if you know anybody that wants to contribute and being part of this amazing effort to help our community, I welcome you in and ask me any questions at Gina at the liberated healercom.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
All right, excellent. Well, I’ll have all of that in the show notes and I may have an idea for you as well. So we’ll, we’ll, we’ll talk afterwards, but yeah, well, thank you so much for being here.

This has been educational and enlightening, especially because

Gina Cavalier (Guest)
I did my job then.

Gloria “Grace” Rand (Host)
Yes, for sure. So thank you, and I know everybody out there got some wonderful value from you. I appreciate it. Thank you, and I want to thank all of you for watching and, whether you’re watching on YouTube or on social media, thank you for listening to the podcast and make sure that you are subscribed and following me, because next week we’re going to be having Ellen Rothstein on, and she is a certified life transition coach and she’s going to share some ways that you can cope with. You know, crazy transitions that happen in our lives, you know, like relationships or becoming an empty nester, changing careers, maybe starting a business. So it should be a good one. So I look forward to having that conversation and having you join us. So until next time, I hope you will go out and live fully, love deeply and engage authentically.

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About the Author
Known as The Insightful Copywriter, Gloria Grace Rand is also an inspirational speaker, author and host of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast. Prior to launching her SEO Copywriting business in 2009, Gloria spent nearly two decades in television, most notably as writer and producer for the award-winning PBS financial news program, “Nightly Business Report.”

Gloria turned to writing as a way to communicate, since growing up with an alcoholic father and abusive mother taught her that it was safer to be seen and not heard. But not speaking her truth caused Gloria problems such as overeating, control issues, and an inability to fully trust people. After investing in coaching & personal development programs, and studying spiritual books like “A Course in Miracles,” Gloria healed her emotional wounds. Today, she helps entrepreneurs develop clarity, confidence and connection to the truth of who you are, so you can create a business that has more impact, influence and income!

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