Creativity and Mental Illness with David D’Orazi

David D’Orazi is with us in this episode. David is a successful salesman living in the Los Angeles area. His new book titled “The In-Between Artist: The Tony D’Orazi Story” was just recently published. The book is a candid reflection of his father’s life, largely filled with notes and entries taken from journals and scrapbooks dating back to the 1920’s.

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On this episode of the Live. Love. Engage. podcast:

• What prompted David to write this book.
• What David’s dad was like.
• His father’s traumatic experience and how it influenced his life.
• His father’s accomplishments at 22 years old.
• How his dad ended up working for Disney.
• His dad’s career path in the years following Disney.
• The obstacles Tony had, and his resilience in overcoming them.
• Who David will write his next book about.
• The magnificent skills David admired about his dad.
• What David is most grateful for right now.
• What David’s goals are looking towards the future.
• The number one thing on David’s bucket list.
• Why it’s important to say and believe that you are the best.
• The one thing most people don’t know about David.
• Who’s made the biggest difference in David’s life and why.
• Why David says that the people who read the book will love it.
• The place that David is at now in his life.

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David’s Website: https://davidfdorazi.com/

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[00:00:02] I am Gloria Grace Rand, founder of the Love Method and author of the number one Amazon best seller, Live Love Engage – How to Stop Doubting Yourself and start being yourself. In this podcast, we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully, love deeply and engage authentically so you can create a life and business with more impact, influence and income. Welcome to Live, Love, Engage. Namaste

[00:00:39] And welcome to Live, Love, Engage, I am Gloria Grace Rand, and today we’re going to be talking a bit about the author’s life and about family. And we’re going to be doing that with our guests today on the program. His name is David D’Orazi. And he is well, I’ll tell you a little bit more about him in a second. But first off, I want to welcome you to Live. Love. Engage.

[00:01:11] Thank you.

[00:01:14] We appreciate having you here, so let me let me right to be here, OK? Let our audience know a little bit more about you. He’s a successful salesman and a California native living in the Los Angeles area. But what he’s really all about, I think right at the moment, certainly is that he has published a new book and it’s called The In Between Artist The Story of Tony D’Orazi. And it is a candid reflection on his father’s life, drawn from journals and scrapbooks dating from the early nineteen twenties and beyond. And I thought we would start right there with my question of what prompted you to decide to write a book about your dad.

[00:02:02] Well, Gloria, what really prompted me was my mom about 12 years ago, she passed away about 10 years ago. We were looking in her garage and she had, I’d say, 20, 30 boxes of notes and scrapbooks from my father, who was a celebrity, like you said, in the 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. And it was all his notes that he wrote. And I and she says, you might want to do something with these someday. Your dad wrote this, you know, all these notes about his whole life. And he was kind of mysterious. Guy wasn’t with him that much other than I talk about it in the book with his artwork and stuff. But he actually I learned some stuff even when I wrote the book that I never even knew. So I really got to know my dad. My dad was just he was just amazing guy trying to be number one on radio and radio. First came out and it was TV and it was amazing what he did. And he started all back in his art. You know, his art started when he was a little kid. He was the oldest of 11 children. And so my wish, my mom’s words came true. And I was and I feel very fulfilled to do it. And and it’s just I got it published and who knows where it’s going to go. It’s really a great story and I think a lot of people would learn from it.

[00:03:25] Well, tell us a little bit more about about what was was there anything? Well, number one, when you see you mentioned that he was an artist. Tell us a little bit about that. What did he do?

[00:03:36] Ok? Yeah, he was my dad was like four years old, is he was the oldest of 11 children. And my grandfather had a bar back in our bar hotel in a market. You raised 11 kids back in Missoula, Montana, and he saw his talent. He copied something right on the wall and he actually wrote it four years old and he showed it to everybody there. And he says, oh, my gosh. And from that day forward, my dad wrote that his dad knew that he had this art talent. So he went to the so when he turned 18, he was actually his test. My dad, he says, where do you want to go to school? He says, I want to go to the number one art school in America. So he sent him to the Art Institute in New York, which at that which at that time was the number one. So he was compared there to Michaelangelo by his drawings, by his peers and his teachers. And he went there for the first the first year he was expelled and everything. And he was the first the youngest guy to ever be on the board of directors for the school. And then he had a traumatic experience when he went that his second year, he was going back to school and he had a traumatic experience where he had had a situation where he had his first nervous breakdown.

[00:04:55] And it was kind of a make a long story short, he woke up in the middle of a hotel room. Somebody gave a couple of drinks, and evidently they laced the drinks and woke up. He woke up naked in a room and he didn’t know what was going on the next day. And he actually actually that’s when he admitted to Bellevue Hospital in New York. He called his dad. His dad came there and they diagnosed with bipolar, manic depressive. He had a nervous breakdown. And so the dad came and got them and he took them back to home. And his uncle had to be a psychologist at the time and his dad. So the family loved and cared for him and brought him back. So it took six months to really come back. And he never went back to the art students league in New York. But after six months of recovery, he was teaching night school in the high school, teaching art, and then he ended up finishing his art degree at University of Montana in Missoula. And he is what he was there. His sister passed away. She was only like I mean, she was just she was the second youngest to him.

[00:06:10] She got. Monia for a week had passed away, and that was traumatic after my dad was getting better, so he was inspired to do a drawing of her and the creation of man while he was home, because he just was really good at his art. And he decided he wanted to you know, he heard about the World’s Fair in Chicago and he entered. He was able to get to Chicago and he was walking down the walkway and walking down the show like at a convention center where just in no way hadn’t had a world fair in four years. And two Catholic priest saw him and says, what do you got there? And he pulled out these drawings and they say, oh, my gosh, are you going to enter those drawings? Because one was the death of Helen, who was so Christ taking her up to heaven with the keys. And anyway, they said, that’s an amazing drawing. Make a long story short. They said, why aren’t you going to dinner? He said, I don’t have any money. So they said, well, how much is it going to take? They said it’s ten dollars for each drawing. So they gave them the twenty dollars to enter, which is about two hundred dollars a day. We went first place in both categories.

[00:07:21] Oh, my goodness.

[00:07:23] Twenty two year old was twenty two, twenty three years old and the whole city of Chicago knew who he was and he was able from there to the radio came out and his dream was always to teach kids how to draw on the radio and TV and TV wasn’t out at the time. Right. Right. So my dad was just he always thinking ahead. And you walked into a radio station and he showed them. He says, look, I want to do this. And they say, what, are you out of your mind

[00:07:53] On the radio? Right.

[00:07:56] And so he goes in there and the program director said, yeah, let’s do this anyway for two years in Chicago after that World’s Fair. And then he he was the number one radio show across the Midwest. But Tony O’Dare, first cartoonist of the ER, Tony D’Orazi. And so but he had an incident when he was in Chicago, his he had a fiancee. He met this girl. And it was kind of ironic. She looked like my mom and he broke up with her and she committed suicide. So he was really set back and he says, I got to get out of this. I can’t deal with this. So he looked in the paper and he saw this article that Walt Disney was looking for in between artists in Hollywood. And he says, I says that’s I would fit that because it’s the in between artists is the one that takes one cell frame to another. This is before computers where they have they have seven or ten pages where you flip through them. And so you see the motion. So it’s moved from one motion. So he takes the train to California, Hollywood. He gets there and he goes to Disney and he finds excuse me, he finds out that there are a thousand applicants for this job in between artist. And he gets there and he applies. And behold, he gets the job. And they gave him a trial period for ten dollars a week.

[00:09:23] And it will be the first cartoonist for the big Disney first, an 80 minute animated film called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Wow. And so he he was on top of the world. So after 30 days, they picked him. He was there a cartoonist for Snow White. And he actually was had a lot to do with the development of Dopy, the character in the the actual movie. And that went on to be the number one money making film for Disney of all time. And so it’s kind of interesting is my dad, when we’re going through all this and he was at Disney, he was doing real well. We’re excited. He walks free. He was living at the YMCA and that’s where it used to live in Hollywood there. And he saw the Cage radio, which is one of the top four at that time in America, NBC, CBS. And and he he kept he says, well, what I wanted to I want to I want to teach kids on the on of these big stations that is national. So anyway, he walked into the he tried for three weeks straight, he writes, and this is his writing. And the lady at the front, which we know today, like I’ve been in sandals for you, you know how it is. You try to get in a place. They got their guard dog, this lady. We don’t let them

[00:10:41] Keep a gatekeeper.

[00:10:43] And so he was about ready to give up. He wrote in the story and he says he was coming down the elevator in. This bearded gentleman says, hey, Sonny says, what’s going on? You look really now remember, he was twenty, twenty three years old. He looked pretty dejected. And he says, Why are you so upset? He says, Well, I’ve been trying to talk to the program director for going on three weeks now and I can’t see. And he says, I need an appointment. He says, well, I. Too bad he says, you know, he says, maybe I could do something about that, he says, you come back on money. This was a Friday and he says, you come back on Monday and you tell him you have an appointment with Bill Goodwin and the program director. And he didn’t anyway, make a long story short, he showed up. He was worried because he didn’t make the back at Disney that day. And all of a sudden he gets back and he goes there at ten o’clock for his interview on Monday. And there’s Bill Goodwin and Bill Goodwin. Was he got to be a big TV star later in life? He was Frank Sinatra’s comedian. On his show, producers show Gracie Allen he was a producer. And so make a long story short, he showed him. He says he got right to the point.

[00:11:55] He said, Tony, he says, what do you got? He says, how are you going to do this? He says, So. He says, I’m going to do this. I’m going to show kids how to draw. And he says, So Bill Goodwin says, that’s great. Can you have a show Saturday? He says, they can much. But I think and my dad says and I’m kind of like that, too, I have an opportunity. He said he said, yeah, I can. So he had to walk back to Disney that day. And the guy was upset because it was late. It was Don Graham. He’d work with our David. I mean, there was one of the original cartoonists of all time for Disney. He says, well, hey, this is where we’re doing a radio show. He says, wait a minute, you can’t do a radio show or work for Disney. He says, you’ve got to make your mind up right now. So anyway, my dad says, well, I’m going to go have my own radio show. So he did that for a year. Ended up it was the number one rated show. They had it. And then all of a sudden the war and the war came or there was the depression and and the end of the war. And he decided to get married, met my mom, and they did vaudeville for a year across the United States and the years of Frank Sinatra and stuff, they did thirty eight states and he combined his he did cartooning like he’d take letters, kind of like the people know Tom Hatton to do, you know, and he would make things out of it.

[00:13:26] And then he combine his singing with that. So then then I guess things got you know, then I guess things got bad at that time. It was in nineteen thirty nine. He was doing vaudeville. My mom got pregnant, my oldest brother, and decided to go back to Montana and raise the kids and find a job and put a couple of years later he got tired, got tired. They want to get back in show business. So he saw an article and is living in Montana, which is about one hundred miles east of Spokane. They needed an advertising manager for CPFL Jr. and he said he said he wanted to do that. So he said maybe if he did that, he can have his own radio show. So he he he applied. He got the job. He sold tires part time when he was doing that. And he did end up getting his radio show. So he’s a big hit in Spokane for about a year. Then all of a sudden he got the edge. They bought a home there and everything he heard about Hollywood TV.

[00:14:31] And he says, oh, my gosh. So then my dad went to Hollywood, got his own TV show for five years. It was a top rated show on KTLA. And I actually have a photograph of him that I posted. I don’t know that with the original crewel KTLA. And so for five years he had a great show. And but then we moved back to L.A. and in nineteen fifty six at the age of forty seven, he got in a terrible car accident and he lost his memory for six months. Oh my. And I actually remember I was six years old and I saw him take my dad away in a straitjacket. It got so bad he lost his memory when he just when he had a breakdown. So he got put away for six months and the camera at the state hospital and he actually he didn’t notice. I remember I visited once. It was quite an experience. And but at first I didn’t know what had happened. I know I’d be OK because I was with my mom and basically he got out and he actually it was hard because he was totally depressed on meds and he had thirty seven shock treatments when he was in there. Kind of like the movie was a beautiful mind with Russell Crowe.

[00:15:51] Yeah, same thing. And you know, that must have been terrible horror, but he’d come home see for twelve hours, then he would start gradually coming back and he actually ended up getting in the car sales and he started selling like crazy. I mean he just at the time and fifties there were cars you just saw like. Crazy, and this dealer took care of them and then he went to art school, he taught art at night and in the later part, then in his latter part of his life, he always wanted to go to Italy and see Michelangelo’s work. And he tried to do that like two or three times and three times he had it two times. He had a breakdown again. He came home and and I actually sat there and I had to sit with my dad. That traumatic thing was I had to sit there with my daddy. Look at me. I was 14 years old. He said, David. He says, what should I do? Should I go in this hospital? Because my mom would always put me to be the rock. She called me the rock of the family and she would send me off with him. I said, Dad, you got to do it. So that happened a couple of times in his life. And then at the end of his life, he actually towards the end, he got better and then he got into TV again.

[00:17:05] He was a part time actor for Dean Martin, for All in the Family, Sanford and Sons. And he managed to get back in and it was like but he finally did in his lifetime. He got back to Italy when he was sixty four years old and he heard he had a spot on his lung. And it was interesting the way things happen to live. And the doctor says, well, we could operate now or we could wait a while. He says, Doctor, I want to go to Italy. And so he made the trip to Italy. He had a breakdown when he was in Italy. What’s amazing is my cousin was over there, a student at the time, and she was able to find them and get them back to America. And he came back and he had his you know, he came back, he had the surgery. And basically I told him I loved him before he passed and but he survived the surgery with the way to remove the lung. But he had a blood clot and passed away. So as you can see, he had an amazing guy and he wrote it all down. And it’s like a treasure that I found was like it was just amazing. And I just thought, well, I

[00:18:19] Was just going to say is that I mean, despite all of the traumatic things that happened to him and despite all the breakdowns, I mean, he was a fighter. He just never gave up.

[00:18:30] He never did.

[00:18:31] And that is and so I’m sure this book is is will be inspiring for a lot of people to know that he just kept on it. He had a dream and he kept going.

[00:18:40] I think so. And I know it’s I think hopefully it’ll be a movie someday because it’s very inspirational if you read it for families that have mental illness within the families, within their family, immediate or otherwise, it’s a feel good story that I think I’ve always considered that it’s like manic depressive people or mentally ill people are borderline genius. And he actually he loved to write. And I’ve actually loved to write. I’ve been writing for years, too, about my life. But this time I’m doing his life. The next story is going to be My sister was a Happy Days star on Happy Days. She was a co-star on the original Happy Days cover of TV Guide. She took my dad’s name, Kathy O’Dare. And what’s interesting, I was I was my caretaker for my father in my teen years growing up. And then as I got older, I became a caretaker for my sister. She started having mental breakdowns. And it was kind of interesting, you know, that the TV business sometimes is difficult and you hear a lot of shots. I mean, you imagine she is 16 years old on the cover of TV Guide. Yeah. So so I’ve learned a lot. And it’s taught me to be stronger. And I think people see it. They’ll they’ll realize that there’s a lot of talent there and people and if they just take the time and nourish what they see and love them, I think it can make a big difference.

[00:20:01] Absolutely.

[00:20:02] What was there

[00:20:04] Anything really that stood out that surprised you when you were going through all of his papers that maybe you didn’t you weren’t totally aware?

[00:20:13] Yeah, I guess at the end. I mean, it’s interesting that the one thing that just blew me away, I never figured out when I was like 16, my dad called up and he said, David, he says, come over and bring me some fresh clothes. I just you know, I met the real estate office here and he was for real estate part time. And I never knew why he called me and I never asked them and what it was. He was going to go over to a lady’s house and he was going to paint. He was going to do a drawing of her because she was a beautiful woman. And he was he was going to do this at her house. And he it was like at nine o’clock at night and there was no lights where he was at. And he fell into the pool with all his art stuff. And he writes about it. He says he says he said to himself, he says, oh, my gosh. He says, I’m sinking. But oh, no. But what about all my art stuff? So a kid came running out and says, hey, you need help? He says, will you help? I need I need to get all my art.

[00:21:21] We went back and got his Truxtun and got all his art stuff, but I never knew all that happened. And I never did ask why he would call me on a grant. You know, it was just crazy thing that happened. And, you know, I and the other thing is I heard but he wrote about his trips. I didn’t realize he gave away 90 percent of his paintings. I mean, on a trip to San Francisco, he is in one of these cycles. That was a surprise. We have a handful left, but I still have the original drawings that were in the world, FERA, which is pretty neat, but yeah, other than that, I guess. And he was like you said, he was so determined and he just he read a lot like when he was he’d go into the bedroom and he had in two hours he had taken 12 art books, said, Dad, we could do it. He said that read Radamel. So I mean, he was a speed reader. And so that was a big surprise.

[00:22:13] Oh, my goodness. Well, you know, it’s interesting your experience growing up and and having to take care of him and then taking care of your sister and now looking back after years of experience. What what do you find right now, what what do you feel most grateful for right now?

[00:22:39] Right now, I just grateful that I was able to live in the age that I am, I’m in my late sixties and and I’m grateful for my four sons, Cockayne, four sons, and they’re all I never really demanded anything of them. I know I was I was asked by my mom to be a dentist. That didn’t happen with chemical sales for years. That’s been and I’ve been very successful on top of the framework. I was the number one award winning salesman across the country. And I guess I’m thankful that I and I look back and I really learned from all this that, you know, life is short and I kind of follow what Ahmadinejad says. You’re only here that long. So now it’s time to give back. And I’m thankful that I’m healthy. And I and I just have a good attitude and I’m thankful for everything around me. I’m the only sibling left by the last while his three brothers and some of my family, I’m the one. So I want to share my story. I want whatever money it makes. It makes a movie. I want to help the homeless, the mentally ill out there. That’s my goal. That would be. And I want to write my story. I want my sisters because she got all her scrapbooks and she wrote like my dad, which is interesting, and all her notes and everything and all the experiences she had. So I think that’s one of the most things I’m grateful for. Yeah. I mean, there’s a few things, but.

[00:24:03] Yeah, absolutely. So is there anything on your bucket list that you want to be able to accomplish other than writing these books?

[00:24:14] Yeah, on my bucket list, I really want to make this a movie someday. I want it to be make it a movie. And like I said, it’d be able to get back from what I make from the movie. And I’ve done I’ve traveled and I’ve done a lot of things, but I just love life and I love what I do. And I just I miss my mom. But especially, you know, I’m I was so close to her and I’m just thankful for what I have. And as far as a bucket list I met what’s interesting, I’m trying to think what my bucket list is, because I actually I did write it just recently. I got about twenty five things on there that I wrote and I always do. Every year I do. I learned from Zig Zigler or I put the top ten things and I post them by my desk. And it’s interesting, every year I do that I, I get nine or nine out of ten, let’s put it that way. That’s pretty good.

[00:25:13] That is pretty good. Yeah. And that is a powerful tool. I know. I’ve, I’ve, I did that one time. I was at some sort of workshop and someone had us write down and I think I just picked like three things and then I kind of forgot about it. And then I was going through my papers and came up with it like a year later and went, Oh, I did this. I did that. I did. I say, it’s important to write stuff down. I really did it.

[00:25:41] And what’s interesting is when I went to work for Merck, I was with their Calgon Division First regional meeting. I went to the manager, said, put it on your desk, you will be the best. You’re number one. And I did that. And the second year I was number one in this whole company had never been a part of. And it’s like and I still have that number one thing on my desk. And I, I look at it. It’s a psychological thing. It’s like everybody says, like when you make calls and one of the motivational guys is always before you look in the mirror and you say, I’m going to be my best, I’m the best. And that’s I believe in that. Yeah. And I’m so sure a lot of sports guys did too, I’m sure.

[00:26:24] Yeah. Well, it it really does. Your brain I’ve done I’ve done a lot of reading even on the biology of the brain and how the brain works. And it’s true. It’s like your brain takes that information in whatever you feed it. So you really do need to make sure that you feed it exactly what you want about that.

[00:26:46] I never forget. I got my degree in chemistry and I took sensory physiology. And that was the brain at UC Irvine. I’m in water chemistry right now and it’s so much like our body in our brain. I mean, it’s like a page and everything balance in our body. It’s just it’s amazing, you know, chemistry and water and like you said, the brain brain chemistry.

[00:27:10] Awesome. Well, I want to ask you one last thing, and actually I may ask it to No one would be what’s one thing that most people don’t know about you?

[00:27:23] One thing that most people don’t know about me. I’m a magician. One of my hobbies is I’m a magician at the Hollywood Magic Castle. And it’s kind of interesting. I’ve been a magician for fifteen years. And, you know, it’s it’s covid saying it’s kind of like. Much is going on for magicians, but it’s interesting. My grandfather was a magician, and that always fascinated me with everybody, the coins in the cards. And so I took classes with Mark Wilson, who just recently passed, and he had Alakazam years ago and at the Magic Castle. And I learned about 15 years ago, and I have a magic partner that I work with. And yeah, not many people know that. And I just love it. Just every week I’m there at the Magic Castle, but right now it’s close. It’s No. One magic house in the world. But if you ever heard of it, I have.

[00:28:15] And well, and especially because I also we watch Penn and Teller show until television and and they have a unique setup now because they’ve been able to in this age of covid, they’ve they’re bringing in having videos from magicians all over the world showing their stuff. And then they’ve got this interesting video wall with audience members in individual things. I don’t know how they’re doing it, but so you can still you can you could still be in Penn and Teller is full. So I definitely

[00:28:48] Could put that on my bucket list. Number twenty six.

[00:28:53] Very, very sorry. Well, one last thing I’m going to ask you and is that has there been one person in your life that has really made a difference and if so, how?

[00:29:08] Well, I think one person in my life has really made a difference. I have a doctor friend of mine is an acupuncturist. And basically she she encouraged me to write the book. And I and I finally did it. And I kept telling people this story. I mean, 20 years ago, I told 30 years ago, I told the guy in the hospital the story when I was having a hernia surgery. And he is right next to me. He says, man, why don’t you write a book? And so, you know, and then it came up again and I said, you know, I’m going to do it. So I actually have a cabin in the mountains that I go to and I isolate myself. And it’s called Treaty’s Birdhouse. After my mom, she helped me design it. She went up there one time was make a cabin like a birdhouse. And that’s where I get my inspiration. And I go up there on my own. And, yeah, I really credit her. I mean, she encouraged me and she said, do it and. I did it, you know, it’s it’s it’s not easy to write a book and it’s really unfortunate I got done it took me five or six years and I asked my oldest son, who’s a TV producer, director for reality Fleamarket Flip was his big show on Asami. I said, Vince, will you edit this? And it took him a year to edit. It took me five years to write. So it’s are a lot in the book. And I think anybody that looks at it on on Kindle or a hard copy, they’re going to love it because it’s I cried. I laughed when I wrote the book and it’s like it’s all me. I try to put everything I could. And it’s it’s like you said, I discovered things I never knew. I relived the experience to put my dad in the mental hospital. I mean, it’s it’s it’s really quite a story. And I know I’ve listen to your podcast. I think it’s an inspiration.

[00:31:00] Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and as someone who just finished writing her first book, I can also relate. It took me four years to get it going, but actually, really the last two to actually get it written and out there. So I’m

[00:31:18] Graduated. Yeah. Yeah. Because you write it. I used to write it when I wrote it and I’d throw the pieces away and I said, no, it’s not going to work and rewrite it. Yeah. And I says and then finally you find out when you finish the book it’s like. OK, I’m done. I guess I probably could have wrote a thousand pages, but this is an easy read. One hundred fourteen pages, but I figured I told a story. People want to try to put more and more on my blog and my website and my next book. I mean, I share all this because a lot of people never experience or see what I’m talking about. And it’s kind of like a deeper you’re going to see a little deeper. What’s it all about?

[00:32:01] Absolutely. And you can. Oh, I was just going to say I love biographies anyway. So so it’s it’s it’s always fascinating to me.

[00:32:09] It is. And if you go through a lot of traumatic things in your life, you can still come out OK. I mean, I’ve had friends when I was in high school, they went the other direction. They had a lot of turmoil at home. I could I mean, I was offered all that bad stuff, but I, I realized that, hey, I want to be somebody. And I did well financially and financially. It’s time to give back. And I that’s where that’s where I’m at.

[00:32:34] Awesome. Well, if someone wants to be able to get a copy of the book or just even to learn more about you and your and your dad, where’s the best place for people to find out?

[00:32:45] Ok, I do have a website w w w David, David o f d or Azi dot com. I have a blog on Facebook and they could, it could get it on Kindle form. It’s on digital form, it’s on hard copy and you can get it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble or ask for it in your local bookstores because they buy it from Ingram and indie books and they could order it for you if they don’t have it in stock.

[00:33:18] So awesome. Well, I will. I’ll make sure to have all that information in the show notes as well. But I really appreciate you coming on today and sharing your story and your dad’s story. And and I know that it was definitely inspiring hearing all about the different things he’s he’s gone through and what you went through as well.

[00:33:41] Well, thank you very much. I really appreciate the opportunity to be on your show. And best of luck and happy New Year and be safe and healthy and hopefully twenty, twenty one would be a great year. And good luck on your new book.

[00:33:54] Thank you. Absolutely. I know it will be. And I’ll pick it up. Yeah, well it’s it’s available on Amazon as well, so. All right. Yes. Well I wanted to say thank you for watching and listening. Thank you for being subscribers and and viewers. And we appreciate you so much. And just as always, I encourage you to now go out there and live fully, love deeply and engage authentically. Did you know that a majority

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