I had the pleasure of interviewing Energy Psychology Counseling expert Betsy Rosam live on Facebook and LinkedIn this week to talk about why it’s important to heal unresolved trauma, grief and loss.
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- How unresolved trauma showed up in Betsy’s life
- The many ways trauma impacts us
- How “ordinary” events can trigger a traumatic response
- Why it’s important to set boundaries
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Gloria Grace Rand
You’re listening to the live love engage podcast on today’s show why it’s important to heal from a trauma instead of trying to just power through it. Stay tuned. I am Gloria Grace Rand, founder of the love method and author of the number one Amazon Best Seller. Live, Love, engage, how to stop doubting yourself and start being yourself. In this podcast, we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to live fully love deeply and engage authentically. So you can create a life and business with more impact, influence and income.
Welcome to Live Love, engage. Namaste, and welcome to another edition of Live Love, engage, as you just heard, and I am delighted to be coming to live as we’ve been doing on Wednesdays. But for those of you who are listening to this on the replay, you’re listening to this whatever day it is, but I want to welcome those of you who are watching on Facebook and LinkedIn. And I know that we have got a great show for you today because we’re getting an opportunity to chat with somebody that I’ve known through networking, here in Florida for quite a few years. And she is a really heart centered woman who has a lot of gifts to share. So I’m gonna before I tell you the rest of who, what she has to offer, I want to welcome on to bring her in here. And welcome Betty, Betsy, Betsy Rosam to live love engage,
Betsy Rosam
like, Thank you for today. Yeah,
Gloria Grace Rand
I’m delighted to have you here. Even though I’m starting to call you by my mom’s name that was interesting. She was she was Elizabeth known as Betty. But anyway, let me share with our audience why, what you do and why I thought you’d be a great speaker for us today. So Betsy is a spiritual counselor, Best Selling Author, certified speaker and energy healer with certifications in several different modalities, including EFT, Reiki, and Theta Healing among others. And she uses all these tools to help women heal from unresolved trauma loss and grief. And so I thought we would start our interview today actually talking about that, specifically, because I have teased it and that is what we’re talking about today. But I wanted to have you explain, Betsy, just what what is unresolved trauma and and how does that show up in our life?
Betsy Rosam
Thank you. It’s so important that you know, particularly for women, you know, we we’re we’re warriors, we’re family warriors. And, and we put many of us put ourselves last. And when we’re faced with a trauma, we kind of trudge through it and we stick on the emotional backpack and just say, I’m in charge, and I’m okay. And it gets stuffed, and never gets resolved. And so it’s really important that, you know, an unresolved trauma loss or grief can be from years ago, I know I had childhood trauma that I had never dealt with. And it showed up in a lot of different ways. And I’m going to be sharing about how, how it does show up. And when we talk about trauma, we talk about loss, and we talk about grief. loss doesn’t necessarily have to mean the death of someone we love. It can be the death of a dream, the death of a relationship, the death of a job or career that we loved. I remember having to grieve the loss of being a home ec teacher for 20 years, and even closing the programs. And I absolutely loved my job. And I had to grief grieve that loss. And there was some trauma involved. We talk about trauma, there’s layers to it as well. specific things that happen in in that particular trauma. And so many times we we just heal the initial shock of it. But there’s layers to them. A really good example is five years ago, my youngest daughter was killed by a drunk driver. And the layers show up as triggers. I remember the first time I was driving my car, and I hit 72 miles an hour and that was the speed I was told of the impact of the other car. Oh man, I looked at the spedometer and I’m driving and I’m like, okay, of course that’s when the EFT came in handy. And I could do a little bit of tapping at the time. But I wasn’t aware of what the triggers are and having the tools to be able to deal with the triggers as they show up, because there’s layers, the first layer was getting a call at 3am. You, she’s, you know, she, she wasn’t declared dead at that time, I just thought I got to pack some stuff and figure out how to get her back here for rehab. And then seeing her in the hospital. And then the, you know, the different layers to it all show up. And there were layers I wasn’t even aware of going out to a restaurant and seeing families with grandchildren. And at the time, I didn’t have any, she was my only hope to have any that I thought. And that was another trigger, and then the embarrassment of being triggered in public. That was another layer. So there’s a lot of layers to trauma, loss and grief, and healing them as important so that we can get through and I’m going to go ahead and share my screen share screen because I do have. Okay. Let’s see what I want to share with share this, I think, let’s see,Am I sharing it?
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, I haven’t I haven’t. I haven’t tried to do this on stream yet. So I don’t know how this works. And I don’t know if I have to give you permission, anything or
Betsy Rosam
let’s not worry about it. I’ll just talk. Yeah, if you want this information that I’m going to be sharing, it is on my website. Later on, I’ll give you the information. It’s in a form of a quiz. And there’s a checklist. So you can actually go through and do this on your own. But first of all, it can affect our, our health by being stressed out, exhausted, overwhelmed. And I remember my daughter was killed in August and that Thanksgiving, I ended up getting shingles. You know, I wasn’t ready to do grief counseling. I was like, I just wasn’t ready to talk about it. I was I was still in that shock. My body reacted health wise. So getting the help that you need is really important to remove that initial shock. I wasn’t aware at that time that I needed to do that. You can have addictive behaviors. unmotivated, unmotivated, drained, self critical. Living on high alert, what’s gonna happen? Oh, my God, what’s gonna happen, that kind of thing. And we see it all the time. Being on high alert, is huge stressor. Wash your heart disease. We’ve heard the term of oh, I’m heartbroken. And there is Heart Syndrome. You know, broken heart syndrome is real people do die from it. I have to share that her father passed away two years after she did from a heart attack.
Gloria Grace Rand
Oh, wow.
Betsy Rosam
He was so angry. So his grief. He stayed in that anger and his body couldn’t handle it. And he died of a heart attack. And he was young. I mean, he was 60, 62, 63.
Gloria Grace Rand
That’s too young
Betsy Rosam
A pilot, a runner. He was at the gym. So yeah, it was it was broken heart syndrome is real. And so our health is really important. And it can affect our health and a lot of ways. So there’s a checklist of living on high alert is huge. If you’ve ever had a trauma and I remember after he had the heart attack, I was I was on thyroid medication and my thyroid was high. It was was too much. I was on hyper instead of hypo and I started to have anxiety. I don’t have that I meditate. And I was scared that I was going to have broken heart syndrome. So I went got the help that I needed and we got the meds toned down and I was okay. But just the trauma of losing him to Broken heart syndrome made me aware of what I needed to do and who I needed to work with. And here’s the thing is every good coach, every good counselor, every good. consultant has people they work with on their own stuff and I do too. So that’s really important to know.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, absolutely. Because I know that I’ve been through some experiences myself in my life. And, and I appreciate how you were saying, when you talk about these triggers and things like that, because I know I think sometimes also, like, anniversaries will come up as well, you know, the, and you mentioned even, like, you know, Thanksgiving, but, but certainly like, you know, birthdays of a loved one or something, or that first holiday that you celebrate, and they’re not there anymore. And, and, and it can be tough. And I know the first Christmas after my sister passed, I did not want to be home alone. And so we wound up driving out to Texas to be with my sister-in-law and her family because I wanted to be surrounded by people. I was just like, I need to be with people. I didn’t want to be alone. So yeah, it’s, it’s amazing.
Betsy Rosam
Yeah. And so, um, and then I have I have how, how it affects our relationships and how it Oh, yeah, wealth. Because it does it. There’s, there’s, it affects us. We can be emotionally cut off, you know, the embarrassment of the triggers? Can I know, for me, it’s like, do I want do my, you know, there was a time when my husband, let’s go out to dinner? And I’m like, no, he’s like why, I might cry, and then people will wonder why. And then. And one of the things that was really interesting is that there’s a really good book called, it’s okay, that I’m not okay.
Gloria Grace Rand
Hmm. I like that
Betsy Rosam
It’s okay that I’m not okay. And it was huge for me. And I remember when, right after she passed, within a couple of months, we moved to a new new area. And when you’re meeting new people, there’s always questions. Oh, how many kids do you have? What do they do? Where do they live? And it opened up a conversation I wasn’t sure how to answer. And then and then when I did answer it in like, yeah, I have this, my oldest one lives in New York, my son is in California. And oh, by the way, my youngest died from a drunk driver crash a couple of years ago. And they go, Oh, I’m so sorry, and the conversation stop. And all of a sudden, they don’t want to talk about it. Because they, you know, they people don’t know how to respond to grief in our society. They’re afraid of so afraid of saying the wrong thing. They don’t say anything. And, and that felt like, felt like I had a disease, you know, that was contagious? you know?
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, absolutely.
Betsy Rosam
You know, especially as a parent, no, that’s like one of the worst things that can happen. So, you know, if I talk to you, maybe, maybe my child, you know, that’s how it felt. So I had to do more healing work. So that I was comfortable in not even really talking about her. Unless, you know, I had to look at the situation I had to energetically feel safe in that space, and know that it was okay to share that information and that I wasn’t going to end the conversation. So making new friends was a little challenging. I felt emotionally cut off. People pleasing is another. That was from my childhood, my childhood trauma, I was became a people pleaser. I’m not to mention my maiden name. My last name was Wright. And I had to be right, you know, that was suspicious and untrusting. You know, trauma can cause especially other kinds of trauma. That for me, I went through domestic violence, childhood abuse, and so trusting I had to heal so that I could trust myself first. So important, I had to trust myself first, because I, my people pleasing. I trusted everybody else. And boy that didn’t work out real well. And knowing that I could make decisions and trust myself first and be able to, here’s the thing, there’s a difference between judgment and discernment. Judgment is about them. Discernment is about me, discernment is what is in my highest and best good. It’s not about who they are, what they’re doing. It’s about what’s important for me and again, setting boundaries. I wasn’t good at setting boundaries. And here’s the thing is, when you did the healing, I was able to set boundaries. I respect the heck out of other people to set boundaries, I remember I was on a trip and I was sharing a room with somebody. And she first thing she said was she gave her boundaries, I’m going to be doing this, this and this, and this is how it’s gonna work. And she looked at me like I was going to have a reaction. And I looked at her, I said, I’m so glad you said that, thank you so much. Because you just set a really good example of setting boundaries, and how important it is and that it’s safe to as well. So that was really neat.
Gloria Grace Rand
Can I Can I ask you one quick question, though, but I want to follow up on that. So for someone who might be listening, why is it important for us to set boundaries? What are the benefits of that?
Betsy Rosam
Oh, this is so cool. Because I have a whole chapter in my book called making more lemonade out of lemons. Are you setting boundaries? And in there I have what’s the difference of setting a boundary and a manipulation? Hmm. Because there’s okay. You don’t want to feel taken advantage of. You don’t want to attract people who are only taking from you. Boundaries need to be realistic and reasonable. You don’t want too many of them, you need to decide what’s really important in my best and highest good. Boundaries are important because it lets other people know what to expect from you. And where were they can’t were they Okay, that’s a boundary. It’s, and here’s the thing is a boundary is not a wall. It’s a fence with a gate.
Gloria Grace Rand
I like that. Yeah, that makes sense.
Betsy Rosam
So a fence with a gate, and I get to decide, okay, you know what, this is a boundary, but you know what I’m gonna, I’m gonna move it a little bit, just for this person. Okay. And, and then I have to look at it and say, okay, if I’m doing that, is that really a good boundary to have? Is it necessary? You know, one of the things that I’ve learned too, is that with relationships, after doing the healing work, it’s very rare that I take things personally. And that’s huge. Because if I don’t take if I don’t take it personally, I don’t take offense, and I have nothing to forgive I was having to skip a whole lot of stuff there.
Gloria Grace Rand
Absolutely. And it’s, you feel so much lighter because of that, because boy, oh, boy, when you and I know I have done this in the past, where I definitely have taken things personally, and, and it just hurts you. It really does. Because it doesn’t get the other person probably doesn’t even necessarily know unless you are like really engaging them about it, but it’s really hurting you. So to be able to do that. I know that’s, I think one of the Four Agreements from Don Miguel Ruiz, that book. And yeah, it’s it’s so much better when you don’t do that. I love that you mentioned that.
Betsy Rosam
You know, I love the Four Agreements. Um, it’s one of my, it’s like, it’s like a Bible you live your life by if you can do these four things. And I got to meet him, you know, I get to have dinner with him. That was awesome. Oh, it’s so interesting. Because when we don’t take offense. And we don’t take things personally. Most of the time, it isn’t about us.
Gloria Grace Rand
That’s true.
Betsy Rosam
Isn’t most of the time, they’re in their own little world doing their own thing, and they have no idea. And a lot of times, it’s because, and this is what I’ve learned, learned to be an observer in my own life. You know, and a lot of times when I when it’s like, when I start to feel like, Ooh, I have to look inward and say, Okay, this is probably a trigger,
Gloria Grace Rand
right.
Betsy Rosam
This is probably something you need to work on. You know, I haven’t yet had a little notebook where I could write it all down when it happens, but I try to remember, you know, and then come home and do some work on it. But yeah, that’s the relationship. And we need to we attract when we’re not healed. We attract other people who are traumatized, and a lot of times we want to be we’re fixers, we want to fix them because we can fix ourselves, all this other stuff it affects our wealth. We’re indecisive, we can’t make a decision. We can become a procrastinator. Oh, this is really good. I was a huge procrastinator, and I discovered this was years ago discovered the reasons why I was really good at doing things at the last minute and I was I became a superhero for myself because I can pull it out at the last minute. Yay, me! And my self esteem needed that, when I did the healing work on that was like, I don’t I don’t have to prove that anymore. So guess what, I can get things done ahead of time. And so most of the time, I’m, I go places early, I get things done before they’re due way before they’re due, you know, unless a crisis or something shows up and in blocks that but for me, I was I was able to identify what what is this about me procrastinating? And I found it very humorous that I was my I was trying to be my own hero, you know, my self esteem needed to be able to pull it out. I got my grades done at midnight when they were due the next day. And I remember the day that I tried doing that, and the computer crashed, and I was in trouble. Didn’t feel good at all.
Gloria Grace Rand
That is I love that description of it. Because yes, I have definitely been known to procrastinate from time to time and and I’m going to do some thinking on that because I suspect that maybe same similar thing and that I do like to be able to say I prove it. Well, I am able to get it done. Even but it’s so much better when you can get it done earlier.
Betsy Rosam
And then you have time for coffee or
Gloria Grace Rand
Yes, exactly. So yeah, that’s cool.
Betsy Rosam
Perfectionism is another. People think oh, I have perfectionism. Perfectionism is a time waste. Waste a lot of time because things, you know, loading the dishwasher perfectly does not matter.
Gloria Grace Rand
You sure?
Betsy Rosam
Why remember the days? Those kids had to do it, too.
Gloria Grace Rand
Oh, yeah. And I remember my mom had a best friend who crocheted and my mom would crochet and my mom would get so upset if she like missed a stitch or something. And then, you know, and then she’d have to take rip out all that yarn out, go back and fix it. And her good friend would say better, better done than good. I think she said, You know, it’s just like, it’s okay. You can handle one little thing, but just get it done.
Betsy Rosam
And the flaws in life are what make life art. Or I think, a really good quote. Life is what makes life art boom. Right? Like that. Yeah. Well, and it’s funny because I remember years ago, years ago, I used to like to sell what. I was the home ec teacher and I started sewing when I was 10. And it had a lot to do with my identity. Back in those days, I remember when stonewashed jeans came out, and it was determined I was going to buy bought some denim, I was gonna stone wash in the washing machine. Whole thing and I did it in the denim came out nasty. I made a vest out of it instead. And I appliqued it. And it came out beautiful. And it was a really good example of how a flop or mistake can be turned into something beautiful. You know, and again, that’s where, in my opinion, creativity when we when we do the footwork, whether it be art, life, anything when we do the footwork, and we let go of the expectation of the outcome. We want mind source to enter in with its creativity. Whoo, good stuff happens.
Gloria Grace Rand
Absolutely, yes, I’ve definitely seen that in my life. So yeah, I love that you say that. I want to just I know you’re been going through some awesome things. And and I would just remind folks who are listening to this and watching it that you can get all of this information, Betsy has it on her website. And I’ll put that up again. I’ll have it in the show notes. But I want to ask you a little bit about the work that you’re doing with clients. So what what gets you really excited about working with people,
Betsy Rosam
you know, seeing them become who they truly are meant to be, you know, once they’ve gotten through the trauma. It’s so interesting. I have a friend that contacted me after she witnessed her dog being hit by a car and she witnessed it and the trauma was so great. She was she was she was suicidal and she contacted me and within five minutes we released the trauma and the shock. And she says that ever since then she’s been able to talk about her loving little puppy and even wrote a book about him. And she basically called him her soulmate. It was her baby and she was able to talk about him with joy and never ever ever had sadness, in her, in her, in her heart over it since we did that. Seeing the transformation around other people, one that I work with my clients Another client I worked with, came to me and she had had a breast lump, not a spot and decided to have a double mastectomy, and then regretted it, it like it was too much. And she did it out of fear. Most decisions we make out of fear are usually the outcomes aren’t real good. And so I worked with her, and her husb…, she was not driving her husband dropped her off. And when he came to pick her up, he said, I don’t know what you did to my wife, but you gave me back the woman I fell in love with. That’s the results that I see in my clients. And I see them soaring. Another client her business wasn’t doing well, and we have a conversation. And she’s just like, people don’t seem to believe me. And that just don’t, they’re not hearing me. We worked on that. And shortly after that, her business took off to the point she had to hire help. We found out there was a childhood issue that trauma, childhood trauma, and we did the healing work in around it. And it’s huge, it is huge. When we’re able to, you know, I wrote and published my book a year after my daughter was killed, I had most of it ready with a totally different title. When she was killed. And I say killed, I don’t say die because she was killed. It was a drunk driver who killed her. And I know that sounds more shocking, but it is the truth. You know, but a year later, you know, after she after she was killed, I said, You know what I have to use, I have to share some of the some of the healing from the trauma in this book, and the name changed to making more than lemonade out of lemons. And I would not have been able to make it it wouldn’t be able to have written it. And have it been an Amazon bestseller. Had I not done some of the healing work that I did. And I have several different people that I’ve worked with, on my stuff. And that’s real. And I today I still work with them. Because of stuff that stuff shows up in sometimes, you know, a lot of the like the Theta Healing I can do on myself EFT I can do on myself, most of it I can do on myself, however, sometimes I don’t know what it is that I need to heal. I need somebody objectively to guide me through that process. And that’s why I have someone else that I work with.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an important point that I want to make sure people hear is that stuff is always going to come up because we are living and and there is always going to be a new trauma that’s going to come up I mean, shoot the last couple of years we’ve had to deal with COVID. I mean, that’s been a huge trauma for a lot of people, even whether or not you were sick or not, it could have affected your business. And just staying no
Betsy Rosam
having to stay home and home.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, exactly. If you’re not used to
Betsy Rosam
it just moved into a new neighborhood and like we can’t meet anybody. We’re here by ourselves. And thank God, I have a loving husband that you know, we were able to, at least, you know, play card games with each other, you know, but Yeah, huge. And right now, the news. Yeah, there’s a lot of fearful stuff happening that can trigger trauma. And there’s a lot of losses, you know, people lost jobs. People lost. Loved ones. Yeah. freedom we lost. Mm.
Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That actually brings to mind something. So if someone listening to this is, let’s say they’re being triggered by what’s going on in the world, right now. What would you say to them to be able to help them? Obviously, they should, you know, contact someone to do some work. But is there something that they could do right now, that might help?
Betsy Rosam
Yeah, a couple of things. Number one, if you’re not into meditation, try some meditation. You know, you can find all kinds of guided meditations on YouTube. I have a YouTube channel, there’s some meditations on there. Meditation can help you to reduce that stress and the fear. Also, there’s something EFT you can find EFT everywhere and EFT is the meridian tapping that you can tap on yourself. I suggest looking up Faster EFT because the regular EFT there’s a lot of tapping spots and a lot of people get so hung up on Where to top tap they give up. But the Faster EFT there’s like four, four or five spots. It’s easy. It’s fast, and it works. So I would guide them to do that. In fact, with my clients, one of the things that I do when they sign up with me is I send them directions on Faster EFT and encourage them to use that because when we have a trigger show up, we can’t we can’t always contact someone to help us work through it in that immediate moment. And having EFT all you need are your hands. And if you’re in a place where you can’t do all this tapping this way that, you know, you can tap here and breathe. You know, or even on your collarbone. Like if you’re at a restaurant, something happens. They’re under the table tapping on tapping right here.
Gloria Grace Rand
yeah and and you’re tapping on the side of the hand for those who are listening
Betsy Rosam
side of the hand yeah and just breathing and maybe saying peace i love you you know the h’oponopono prayer no you can say that well i i you know i’m sorry i forgive you i love you thank you those are you know meditation eft h’oponpono all of those can really help you for an immediate relief
what I do changes the neurotransmitters those messages those beliefs that were programmed during that trauma. one of the beliefs that I had as a child was i’m not good enough and it stemmed from my name is elizabeth ann. my dad named me my mom was pissed she wanted to name me something else so she
refused me refused to call me by my name I was called sissy until i was 10. i was embarrassed and made fun of and this little girl and I was told I said well why why can’t I be called elizabeth because the teachers would call that name out and she said well because you’re not. and and i i said well why and she said well your brother couldn’t pronounce the word sister so you’re sissy and i thought i’m not even good enough for my own name. this is the this is the thought the belief yeah this little girl import whether it was true or not I was about my mom and dad having a fight and who wasn’t
Gloria Grace Rand
right
Betsy Rosam
had nothing to do with me but this little girl so when we were 10 we moved and i said you know can i be she said yeah betsy’s a good betsy’s a good nickname i’m like i was really having anything but but this little girl took that in and this little girl girl decided she wasn’t good enough for her own name she wasn’t good enough for good friends she wasn’t good enough for a good husband who treated her nice she wasn’t good enough for her own health she wasn’t good enough to make good grades she got into a lot of trouble
Gloria Grace Rand
well thank goodness she survived though and has learned how to be able to heal some of those things and i know i think the i’m not good enough stuff
actually shows up for most people there’s something that happens if it’s not your parents it’s your teachers or or somebody and
Betsy Rosam
it could be the neighborhood that
Gloria Grace Rand
yeah yeah because it it it’s insidious and the thing is is that it can be we can retrain ourselves and retrain the brain as you mentioned yeah rewiring
those neurons and have some more empowering statements about ourselves
Betsy Rosam
and here’s the thing is this little girl that didn’t make good grades the first time in college went back and got her master’s degree at 51 and made a 3.95 gpa
Gloria Grace Rand
wow congratulations i didn’t i didn’t realize you had done that in such a later a later age shall we say
Betsy Rosam
in the middle of in the middle of menopause where you don’t you start losing your mem your memory loss menopause. it was challenging i did it and
that’s because the little girl knew she was good enough
Gloria Grace Rand
yeah that’s awesome. i could talk to you forever and ever and we’ve got so much going on let me ask you is there anything
Betsy Rosam
i love these yummy… i call them yummy conversations
Gloria Grace Rand
i know i know so i’m gonna ask you. i’m gonna ask you two things so the first one is what do you wish you had known when you had started out on this adventure we call life
Betsy Rosam
oh you know what i wish i i wish i wish i had believed in myself, knew i was good enough and believed and believed in that the higher power that divine source i had a connection. and i remember i i knew i saw angels as a little girl but then that programming came in you know the earthly programming
wish that i had stayed connected during those i call them foggy years you know and then and then i it as i grew older and life got more challenging and i had to fix myself. i wanted to get out of that fog then there was an awakening and that continued to awaken i’m not awakened i am awakening i think the day i’m awake and awakened is the day i’m resurrected up into the next space whatever yeah
Gloria Grace Rand
i agree yeah
Betsy Rosam
but yeah i am looking at and looking at a thing i posted on my wallet says we don’t reach the light through endless analysis of the dark we reach the light by choosing the light light means understanding through understanding we are healed
Gloria Grace Rand
i like that that’s that’s powerful. awesome. so and actually i lied i have two more questions so the last second to last one is uh is there anything i should have asked today that i didn’t that you think would be important to share with our audience today
Betsy Rosam
not really not. we covered a lot of good juicy stuff
Gloria Grace Rand
well let’s remind our listeners and viewers today um how if they want to be able to get in touch with you what is the best way for them to do that
Betsy Rosam
well my website betsyrosam.com. okay you see it right down there. i have a place where you can click on it and uh schedule a discovery call so that we can talk about how i can help you if i can help you and um there’s a quiz that you can take that has all these different behaviors that show up with unresolved loss trauma and grief and you can sign up for that uh on my website there’s past talks there’s a
blogs um there’s all kinds of really good information there on my website and yeah that’s the best way to reach me
Gloria Grace Rand
all right awesome well thank you so much for being here today i really appreciate it. and uh and even though you know we’ve we’ve known each other for a while I’ve learned a lot more about you today and even greater respect for you than i had before so
Betsy Rosam
thank you yeah you know i really miss our our networking live networking groups i really miss that but this was wonderful and thank you so much
Gloria Grace Rand
yeah. well thank you for being here and i also want to thank all of you who’ve been watching and uh and for those of you who are listening to this recording on your favorite podcast platform i am so grateful and i want to ask you if you got value out of this today i would encourage you to share it with a friend and tell people about it and that would be awesome. so thank you again betsy for being here and until next time as always i encourage everyone to go out and live fully love deeply and engage authentically
